frostedone
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Lets discuss BTAS-Batman Beyond. We do get a lot of closure now that I think about it.
Batman is the Greek Tragic hero of the DCAU. It was said that BTAS seasons 1-3 was Bruce's 10th year as Batman. He does a lot of good through BTAS-JLU but he has his fair share of tragedies along the way. He saves the world, the universe, even the timestream. He saved many people, but he never could form lasting relationships with people. He was emotionally stunted and psychologically damaged.
In Mask of The Phantasm he almost gives up his oath of becoming Batman when he meets and falls in love with Andrea Beaumont. She leaves him and he dons the cowl for the first time. Later he meets her again but she is the Phantasm and a murderer. His heart is broken again. He sees her again in the comic which take place in the JLU time period.
He finds that his use of fear caused the Joker to be "born".
In BTAS he falls in love with Talia and he almost gets a new father in Ra's Al Ghul. That ends badly, but both men still share a great deal of respect for each other throughout BTAS.
He also adopts Dick as a child and he stays Robin until after he graduates from college. They have a huge falling out. Robin learns that Bruce kept Barbara's identity as Batgirl secret from him and was furious. Tension was building for a long time and Dick pretty much had enough of Bruce's manipulation.
To qoute Dick "You think you did, you don't know him like I do. He manipulates, pulls strings, anything to get what he wants...Things changed, I changed, the game's over Batman I quit." He then punched Batman in the face and left America for 3 years.
During that time Batman got a new Robin, Tim Drake. Things went well between their partnership. Dick comes back and gives Tim his blessing to wear the Robin suit.
Dick and Bruce begin to mend their relationship. Until towards the end of the comic run. Bruce begins to date Barbara and in Batman Beyond it is implied that they were intimate. One of the comic deleted scenes showed Nightwing expressing sorrow toward that. Prior to this in Batman and Mr. Freeze: Sub Zero Dick was going to propose to Barbara...
Dick went to Bludhaven and fought along side Bruce just one more time in the comics. During the JLU time period. We never see Dick again except for one silhouette on a rooftop in JLU. Their relationship never heals. In Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker which takes place 50+ years in the future, Barbara tells Terry that Nightwing still has stories about how angry he is at Bruce. Then in JLU's Epilogue Terry says that Dick left Bruce, which implies that Bruce lost his first "son". Also he never joins the Justice League.
Barbara leaves Bruce and the costumed vigilante life too. We do not see it happen but she says so in Batman Beyond's "A Touch of Curare". She was biter towards him, and she marries someone else. She was also shot at multiple times and Bruce sewed up the bullet holes in her costume. She was not crippled though. By Batman Beyond Bruce lost a lover.
Bruce also lost Tim Drake. The Joker and Harley kidnap him and basically torture him until he is crazy. They bleach his skin, electrocute him, and inject him with wnought poison and toxin to break him. According to Bruce Tim this flashback in "Return of the Joker" takes place after JLU's "Destroyer".
Also during this flashback Batman is pushed to his breaking point and throws a knife at the Joker's head. The Joker ducked but Bruce still technically broke his no killing rule...Tim then murders the Joker breaks down and cries. He is sent to Doctor Leslie Tompkins and is treated back to sanity for a year. He never fully recovers. The Joker also planted a DNA chip in him so that he can come back even if he dies. Tim isolates himself from Bruce and Bruce looses his second son. they never reunite until 40 or so years later (this takes place after "Destroyer") in Return of the Joker.
Bruce also rarely expressed happiness between TNBA-JLU. In JLU season 3 we see him FINALLY smiling and even cracking some jokes at the lunch room at the Watchtower. He found friends...
Then we get the Near Apocalypse of 09 and disaster strikes. Ra's Al Ghul dies. Unknown to him so does his "true love" as revealed in Batman Beyond, Talia. Since the size of the JLU Justice League is so numerous and the JLU of the Batman Beyond time period has like 10 members it is implied that many of the heroes die too. It was the Near Apocalypse for a reason.
In JLU Batman and Wonder Woman flirt and share some romantic feelings toward each other. For reasons unknown it doesn't work out.
Selina leaves Bruce too. He looses another lover.
Also in JLU the Deadman used Batman's Body to shoot and kill a villain. This would foreshadow Batman Beyonds opening scene.
Batman also was getting older and slower. He eventually had to get a new suit that had superhuman attributes because his body was failing him.
In Batman Beyond ROTJ, Terry stated that "Everyone who ever loved Bruce leaved him. Dick, Tim, Barbara, Selina..." In Batman Beyond he was a lonely broken, bitter old man. He lived alone. Alfred was dead, so was Jim Gordon. He lost two more father figures, his two closest ally's, and best friends.
He retired from being Batman after he had a heart attack at 60 something. He was forced to use a gun tp ward off a criminal.
Also Bruce lost control of his Wayne enterprises and was essentially put on allowance by Batman Beyond. He also left the Justice League.
The Joker had a much bigger effect on Gotham then Batman ever did by Batman beyond too.
In the end he does get a son in Terry but that is a far of a happy ending that he gets. Terry's father gets his reproductive DNA changed to Bruce's (unknown to both of them) by Amanda Waller. So technically Terry has 1/2 of Bruce's DNA.
Several of Batman's villains get closure too.
The Joker dies. Later he comes back in ROTJ using Tim Drake's body. He kills people and regains control of the city. Terry destroys his microchip.
Harley lives and gives up crime. She has kids then grand kids by Batman Beyond. Her grand kids are Dee and Dee.
Poison Ivy gives up crime at the end of BTAS. She creates a plant clone that we see in TNBA while she lives with Alec Holland and they love each other. At the end of one of the last issues of the DCAU Batman comic that takes place during JLU, she (the real one) is back to villainy and back in Arkham. Her and Harley's friendship is broken forever.
The Riddler reforms and becomes good in the comic. He still has OCD but is no longer evil. He gets killed when the Clock King stabs him in the back with a dagger.
The Ventriloquist reforms and gets rid of the Scarface dummy in TNBA.
Bane eventually becomes dependant on Venom and needs to be hooked up to it 24/7. In Batman Beyond he is rendered immobile and and is in a nursing home.
The Mad Hatter goes completely nuts and is hooked up to a giant machine and is locked up in Arkham. That was in one of The Question issues of the JLU comic.
Mr. Freeze: Lives until Batman Beyond. He reforms and gets a new body. He gets super betrayed and then gets critically injured by Blight. He then commits suicide.
Ra's Al Ghul/Talia: He initiates the Near Apocalypse of 09. Bruce thinks he died. Really he just put his mind in Talia's body. Bruce lost a father figure. Later in Batman Beyond he tries to take Bruce's body and fails. The place explodes but it is unlikely that he died. He survives stuff like that all the time.
The Phantasm works for the Black Mask in the last DCAU comics. she later is commissioned to kill Terry's family in Batman Beyond but refuses to since Bruce would not want it.
For the ones we do not know about:
Catwoman leaves Bruce and we do not know what happens to her afterward.
Two-Face: ?
Lock Up: ?
Baby Doll: ?
Killer Croc: ?
Rupert Thorn: ?
Fire Fly: ?
What do you all think?
Batman is the Greek Tragic hero of the DCAU. It was said that BTAS seasons 1-3 was Bruce's 10th year as Batman. He does a lot of good through BTAS-JLU but he has his fair share of tragedies along the way. He saves the world, the universe, even the timestream. He saved many people, but he never could form lasting relationships with people. He was emotionally stunted and psychologically damaged.
In Mask of The Phantasm he almost gives up his oath of becoming Batman when he meets and falls in love with Andrea Beaumont. She leaves him and he dons the cowl for the first time. Later he meets her again but she is the Phantasm and a murderer. His heart is broken again. He sees her again in the comic which take place in the JLU time period.
He finds that his use of fear caused the Joker to be "born".
In BTAS he falls in love with Talia and he almost gets a new father in Ra's Al Ghul. That ends badly, but both men still share a great deal of respect for each other throughout BTAS.
He also adopts Dick as a child and he stays Robin until after he graduates from college. They have a huge falling out. Robin learns that Bruce kept Barbara's identity as Batgirl secret from him and was furious. Tension was building for a long time and Dick pretty much had enough of Bruce's manipulation.
To qoute Dick "You think you did, you don't know him like I do. He manipulates, pulls strings, anything to get what he wants...Things changed, I changed, the game's over Batman I quit." He then punched Batman in the face and left America for 3 years.
During that time Batman got a new Robin, Tim Drake. Things went well between their partnership. Dick comes back and gives Tim his blessing to wear the Robin suit.
Dick and Bruce begin to mend their relationship. Until towards the end of the comic run. Bruce begins to date Barbara and in Batman Beyond it is implied that they were intimate. One of the comic deleted scenes showed Nightwing expressing sorrow toward that. Prior to this in Batman and Mr. Freeze: Sub Zero Dick was going to propose to Barbara...
Dick went to Bludhaven and fought along side Bruce just one more time in the comics. During the JLU time period. We never see Dick again except for one silhouette on a rooftop in JLU. Their relationship never heals. In Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker which takes place 50+ years in the future, Barbara tells Terry that Nightwing still has stories about how angry he is at Bruce. Then in JLU's Epilogue Terry says that Dick left Bruce, which implies that Bruce lost his first "son". Also he never joins the Justice League.
Barbara leaves Bruce and the costumed vigilante life too. We do not see it happen but she says so in Batman Beyond's "A Touch of Curare". She was biter towards him, and she marries someone else. She was also shot at multiple times and Bruce sewed up the bullet holes in her costume. She was not crippled though. By Batman Beyond Bruce lost a lover.
Bruce also lost Tim Drake. The Joker and Harley kidnap him and basically torture him until he is crazy. They bleach his skin, electrocute him, and inject him with wnought poison and toxin to break him. According to Bruce Tim this flashback in "Return of the Joker" takes place after JLU's "Destroyer".
Also during this flashback Batman is pushed to his breaking point and throws a knife at the Joker's head. The Joker ducked but Bruce still technically broke his no killing rule...Tim then murders the Joker breaks down and cries. He is sent to Doctor Leslie Tompkins and is treated back to sanity for a year. He never fully recovers. The Joker also planted a DNA chip in him so that he can come back even if he dies. Tim isolates himself from Bruce and Bruce looses his second son. they never reunite until 40 or so years later (this takes place after "Destroyer") in Return of the Joker.
Bruce also rarely expressed happiness between TNBA-JLU. In JLU season 3 we see him FINALLY smiling and even cracking some jokes at the lunch room at the Watchtower. He found friends...
Then we get the Near Apocalypse of 09 and disaster strikes. Ra's Al Ghul dies. Unknown to him so does his "true love" as revealed in Batman Beyond, Talia. Since the size of the JLU Justice League is so numerous and the JLU of the Batman Beyond time period has like 10 members it is implied that many of the heroes die too. It was the Near Apocalypse for a reason.
In JLU Batman and Wonder Woman flirt and share some romantic feelings toward each other. For reasons unknown it doesn't work out.
Selina leaves Bruce too. He looses another lover.
Also in JLU the Deadman used Batman's Body to shoot and kill a villain. This would foreshadow Batman Beyonds opening scene.
Batman also was getting older and slower. He eventually had to get a new suit that had superhuman attributes because his body was failing him.
In Batman Beyond ROTJ, Terry stated that "Everyone who ever loved Bruce leaved him. Dick, Tim, Barbara, Selina..." In Batman Beyond he was a lonely broken, bitter old man. He lived alone. Alfred was dead, so was Jim Gordon. He lost two more father figures, his two closest ally's, and best friends.
He retired from being Batman after he had a heart attack at 60 something. He was forced to use a gun tp ward off a criminal.
Also Bruce lost control of his Wayne enterprises and was essentially put on allowance by Batman Beyond. He also left the Justice League.
The Joker had a much bigger effect on Gotham then Batman ever did by Batman beyond too.
In the end he does get a son in Terry but that is a far of a happy ending that he gets. Terry's father gets his reproductive DNA changed to Bruce's (unknown to both of them) by Amanda Waller. So technically Terry has 1/2 of Bruce's DNA.
Several of Batman's villains get closure too.
The Joker dies. Later he comes back in ROTJ using Tim Drake's body. He kills people and regains control of the city. Terry destroys his microchip.
Harley lives and gives up crime. She has kids then grand kids by Batman Beyond. Her grand kids are Dee and Dee.
Poison Ivy gives up crime at the end of BTAS. She creates a plant clone that we see in TNBA while she lives with Alec Holland and they love each other. At the end of one of the last issues of the DCAU Batman comic that takes place during JLU, she (the real one) is back to villainy and back in Arkham. Her and Harley's friendship is broken forever.
The Riddler reforms and becomes good in the comic. He still has OCD but is no longer evil. He gets killed when the Clock King stabs him in the back with a dagger.
The Ventriloquist reforms and gets rid of the Scarface dummy in TNBA.
Bane eventually becomes dependant on Venom and needs to be hooked up to it 24/7. In Batman Beyond he is rendered immobile and and is in a nursing home.
The Mad Hatter goes completely nuts and is hooked up to a giant machine and is locked up in Arkham. That was in one of The Question issues of the JLU comic.
Mr. Freeze: Lives until Batman Beyond. He reforms and gets a new body. He gets super betrayed and then gets critically injured by Blight. He then commits suicide.
Ra's Al Ghul/Talia: He initiates the Near Apocalypse of 09. Bruce thinks he died. Really he just put his mind in Talia's body. Bruce lost a father figure. Later in Batman Beyond he tries to take Bruce's body and fails. The place explodes but it is unlikely that he died. He survives stuff like that all the time.
The Phantasm works for the Black Mask in the last DCAU comics. she later is commissioned to kill Terry's family in Batman Beyond but refuses to since Bruce would not want it.
For the ones we do not know about:
Catwoman leaves Bruce and we do not know what happens to her afterward.
Two-Face: ?
Lock Up: ?
Baby Doll: ?
Killer Croc: ?
Rupert Thorn: ?
Fire Fly: ?
What do you all think?
But one thing i dont understand and i argue is why does everyone think Bruce got a new Batsuit in Batman Beyond becasue his body was "failing him" i personally think he got it simply because technolgy was advancing and it was time for a change. 
