"Young Justice" News & Discussion Thread, Part 24 (Spoilers)

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No ones saying it will, but it certainly helps more than just sitting around and claiming that everyone is wasting their time.

Yeah, seriously. I put the link in "for what it's worth" as I question it having worth.
But as you say, it's more worthwhile way to spend a few seconds than the people here yelling at everyone to get on with their life. Talk about being stuck in place.

Read up on the Kübler-Ross model sometime.
Hey, I've made it up to Bargaining. That's pretty good. Might even be up to Depression- "why bother watching new DC Nation shows? They'll just end up cancelled". Or is that Acceptance? :p

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Scott Neitlich at Mattel once pointed out that fans on the net can be loud and not numerous.
Scott was talking about the JLU fans who clamor for figures that don't sell and specifically talking about the Matty Collector forums which are ruled by a "loud but few" people who claim everyone wants what they want in action figures.

In our case we are somewhat loud and somewhat many- the shows did well for CN's Saturday shows when they came back together in the Fall (numbers 1 and 2 for Sat/Sun airing) but were pulled anyway.
 
Whoa I didn't realize Clone Wars was leaving too. Man, how long before Cartoon Network itself gets cancelled?

For what it's worth there's a petition up
https://www.change.org/petitions/ca...justice-and-green-lantern-the-animated-series

But I seriously think CN is on the way out. Look at all the live action series. It's like when The Nashville Network became the National Network then Spike TV. Or Tech TV merged with G4. Or MTV dropped "music" from their logo. I just don't see "Cartoon Network" being able to support itself.
Jeeze, a majority of the Toonzone users blow stuff out of proportion.

How many live series does CN have right now? Annoying Orange and the Incredible Crew (Level Up was cancelled). Yep, that sure means something, right? CN was fine before YJ and Clone Wars and will be after. You can thank Adventure Time and Regular Show for making CN relevant to people (of all ages) again.
 
You can thank Adventure Time and Regular Show for making CN relevant to people (of all ages) again.

There's no accounting for taste :p

Cartoon Network was fine before CW and YJ because they used to nurture animated shows (like 70 some episodes of Justice League). Now they're going after the lowest common denominator comedy rubbish.
 
They were getting better ratings from reruns of Dragons, Johnny Test, NinjaGo, etc on Saturday mornings. We can argue Saturday mornings isn't a good time for the premieres and that CN could have advertised them more but kids didn't tune in even when there was a decent push. They just don't seem to care for quality action cartoons much these days.

I would hope the creative team could follow YJ up with a Justice League series or even a Superman series in the light of the upcoming movie, perhaps a pre-quel to Young Justice for the Superman series. I don't want this DC universe to die with the end of Young Justice but mostly I wish the crew well on their future endeavors.
 
Here's one thing we can do in addition to clamoring for a season 3: show Cartoon Network that we would love to see a 6 episode mini-series set within the season 2 timeline.

It would bring the episode order for season 2 up to 26 episodes, so that the spread of episodes between both seasons is even and so that the Team members added after season 1 could be more fleshed out. Season 1 covered 6 months of the year with 4 months getting 4 episodes each, and 2 months getting 5 episodes each. The mini-series could take the form of an episode set at the end of January, one set in early February, one in early March, one in late April, one in May and one in June.

It would be better than nothing, and is a more achievable goal than a 26 episode third season (I have a hard time buying into the possibility of a 13 or 20 episode third season, as you don't really hear of these sort of shows ending on strange episode numbers like 59 or 66). A 6 episode order wouldn't require the production team to reunite for too long and wouldn't incur too much in the way of costs compared to a 13+ episode order. Who wouldn't be pleased to see the show at least get to 52 episodes?

If we show enough support and a sustained interest in the show over a prolonged period of time, we can hopefully accomplish this. Please spread the word about this and mention it to Cartoon Network in your e-mails and letters, because we stand a better chance of making this happen.
 
Maybe it sold different in different areas. Around here 'Cats sold well and YJ never made it past the second wave that hung on shelves until it went on clearance (I bought Superboy online to get one). As for Static, well he got 52 episodes without a toyline. That's twice what GL is getting and equal to YJ which had a toyline even if it got canned. JLU is the only one to have a truly successful toyline. I will point out that Beware the Batman doesn't have a toyline and Teen Titans only had some cheap ones from Bandai(?) but it's coming back (without a toyline)

Thundercats obviously sold poorly overall if a good portion of stock went right to clearance in both parts of the us and uk... YJ after wave 1 was something I never found in box stores often- the higher-priced local indie toy stores got most of them... Static was also produced when the market was different, may not have gotten a toy company to commit because it was too "urban"... BtB has no toyline at the moment but I would wait until toyfair to read the tea leaves there. And Teen Titans was a successful franchise- it gave WBA a taste of a Digimon/ben10 property.
 
Thundercats obviously sold poorly overall if a good portion of stock went right to clearance in both parts of the us and uk... YJ after wave 1 was something I never found in box stores often
Fine, you didn't find it in box stores but it was made and I saw Wave 2 at our Target just hanging there and didn't do better than Thundercats which I'm not saying was stellar.
I'm just saying I saw it go better than YJ did around here (I saw both waves of Thundercats sell here)

YJ also has made it's way to discount stores. The east coast chain CW Price in the US has Wave 4 but they are not everywhere.
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[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Despite what others have said ... these ARE showing up at discount stores. I bought all 4 for $4.99 each off the shelf. Mind you it took visiting 3 different locations to get all four but I got them. Look for smaller discount stores (not TJMaxx, Burlington, Marshalls, Tuesday Morning, Ollies or Ross) in your areas.
Young Justice 4" Wave 4 - Topic

Mattel is notorious for holding stock and pretending it sold out and then dumping the extra stock, I read about people finding SDCC items at TJ Maxx.

They were getting better ratings from reruns of Dragons, Johnny Test, NinjaGo, etc on Saturday mornings..
But at what point? After the third hiatus? The second week YJ and GL were back in the Fall they were #1 and #2 for the whole weekend. Then CN yanked them off air without explination- did the want them to die?

At that point many posters were feeling it was cancelled and I'm sure didn't bother to come back to a show they thought was ending.

And I didn't say TT wasn't successful as a series- I said they are making a comeback despite not having a great tolyine the first time and probably no toyline this time. So I don't think toys are the reason for cancelling YJ and GL. As far as I can tell there really is no reason.

I doubt Mattel wants to invest in yet another Batman line after creating their "evergreen" line. Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt the want another one.
 
You can thank Adventure Time and Regular Show for making CN relevant to people (of all ages) again.

Hold up one cotton pickin minute! Why is it that Adventure Time and Regular Show merchandise is marketed across demographics while shows like Young Justice, and Green Lantern have to rely on toy sales? There's a bunch of Adventure Time and Regular Show stuff for teenagers and young adults like clothing and the like. You would think they'd be smart enough not to put all of their eggs in one basket and have a little more in the book bag and clothing departments...
 
Hold up one cotton pickin minute! Why is it that Adventure Time and Regular Show merchandise is marketed across demographics while shows like Young Justice, and Green Lantern have to rely on toy sales? There's a bunch of Adventure Time and Regular Show stuff for teenagers and young adults like clothing and the like. You would think they'd be smart enough not to put all of their eggs in one basket and have a little more in the book bag and clothing departments...

This makes no sense to me as well. It is a show on teen issues featuring teens mentored by adults who collectively face primarily adult villains, yet it needs to rely on toy sales to kiddies while mired in a kiddie time slot?

Make money off clothing, video games, apps, things that the 13+ crowd will buy that will support the show.
 
This makes no sense to me as well. It is a show on teen issues featuring teens mentored by adults who collectively face primarily adult villains, yet it needs to rely on toy sales to kiddies while mired in a kiddie time slot?

Make money off clothing, video games, apps, things that the 13+ crowd will buy that will support the show.

Dc does a lot of stealth marketing. There were no young justice branded shirts at hot topic but looking at the Superboy and kid flash shirts that coincided with the show's launch...
 
Cartoon Network is owned by Turner Broadcasting System, which is owned by Time Warner.
DC is owned by Warner Brothers, which is owned by Time Warner.
It makes no sense whatsoever why there's a blood feud between these companies when they're all owned by Time Warner. They didn't even attempt to try to syndicate the show.

While it may be true that ultimately they are owned by the same corporate monolith, corporate politics are bottom-driven the vast majority of the time, not driven by who is at the top of the food tree. Time-Warner also owns many book imprints, most of whom compete against each other on the book racks - for the line editor, its not about how to co-operate and play nice, its about how to excel so that they get promoted and gain influence within the structure. They are probably encouraged to co-operate, but each business unit has its own P&L to be responsible for.

Want to try and make a difference? Urge friends and fans to buy the DVDs, iTunes episodes, etc. No illegal downloading, no excuses, but buying. A big wave of merchandise purchases (i.e. money) is the only way Cartoon Network will make notice of the demand for this show.

That works when the show is active. Now its locking the barn door after the horse has fled. The time to support a show is early, not after they decide to not renew for a third season, unfortunately.

Hold up one cotton pickin minute! Why is it that Adventure Time and Regular Show merchandise is marketed across demographics while shows like Young Justice, and Green Lantern have to rely on toy sales? There's a bunch of Adventure Time and Regular Show stuff for teenagers and young adults like clothing and the like. You would think they'd be smart enough not to put all of their eggs in one basket and have a little more in the book bag and clothing departments...

Because the clothing rights (or more accurately, the options thereto) to Green Lantern (for example) are already sold by DC's licensing department. Many of the comic brands, for better or for worse, are already leveraged by DC's licensing revenue people. Something like Adventure Time has no pre-existing rights already sold, so the options are wide-open. That's one of the reasons that AEMH had so few things to buy - Avengers rights were long since sold.

This makes no sense to me as well. It is a show on teen issues featuring teens mentored by adults who collectively face primarily adult villains, yet it needs to rely on toy sales to kiddies while mired in a kiddie time slot?

Make money off clothing, video games, apps, things that the 13+ crowd will buy that will support the show.

The problem is that DC has no control over this stuff, once they've optioned or sold the rights. Now a smart clothing rightsholder might make a buck by putting out a Batman clothing line to coincide with a Batman cartoon, but that revenue won't help DC until it becomes time to negotiate renewal ("You made a fortune off of that t-shirt line, so if you want to keep the rights we're going to want a 0.5 percent of the gross sales and double the license fee this time"), and won't help the cartoon channel directly at all (indirectly, it helps because the t-shirts reinforce the brand awareness, which reminds people they like Batman, and so they watch the new show).
 
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Scott was talking about the JLU fans who clamor for figures that don't sell and specifically talking about the Matty Collector forums which are ruled by a "loud but few" people who claim everyone wants what they want in action figures.

I'm referring to something he said at the PowerCon when fans were complaining about not getting Illumina. He said if there was an online poll where like 8,000 people indicated they wanted and would buy an Illumina figure they would make one. I think fans started an Illumina fan page after that and they couldn't come anywhere near close to that number.

In our case we are somewhat loud and somewhat many- the shows did well for CN's Saturday shows when they came back together in the Fall (numbers 1 and 2 for Sat/Sun airing) but were pulled anyway.

Somewhat many is just not really enough. It's not about the ratings. Looking at the commercials on CN there aren't a lot. It's mostly their own shows or the Hall of Game Awards nonsense, they seem to not have much in the way of big advertisers or premium ad space. I think that's why they are looking at merchandise sales so much. Thundercats also did well when it moved to Saturday mornings, but it still wasn't enough.
 
While it may lead to anything, I think that buying the merchandise and sending emails to Cartoon Network is a good way to handle this situation. At least it's a productive use of time instead of just complaining about it. It rarely leads to anything, but it couldn't hurt in the long run. I do hope that the crew can work on another DC series. A Justice League or preferably a new Superman series would be pretty cool.
 
Not just emails, send physical letters as well if you can.
 
The current model just isn't good for shows like Young Justice. It will take a Netflix to see the value in these properties and drawing in an adult animation audience willing to pay for quality content.
 
The current model just isn't good for shows like Young Justice. It will take a Netflix to see the value in these properties and drawing in an adult animation audience willing to pay for quality content.

A Netflix model wouldn't be the best indicator. People will watch something for free under a overall account that they've paid for. Young Justice needs a direct manner of receiving profit for any change to be made.
 
Or action shows could try a quicker, more cost-effective animation production set-up. Not sure if that's possible, but it sounds like having shows that are cheaper and easier to produce, quicker to get done would help.

I mean Friendship is Magic is like all done in Flash.
 
again I say it is stupid that they base a sucess of a cartoon show off toy sales, I don't buy toys I'm 35 years old. (Not to say others don't do it but most toys are geared towards younger kids)
 

I think people are just grasping at straws now... It won't be saved.

CN just doesn't want this show anymore. It's gone and I'm not going to start fighting for it.

I'll enjoy the remaining episodes, the final issue of the comic and the video game. And hey, maybe WB will give Greg Weisman a Justice League or Superman show to work on.
 
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