"Young Justice" News & Discussion Thread, Part 24 (Spoilers)

[Northern Sun]

If CW had a saturday morning block like WB did, then I am sure we would get some DC shows on there but it seems right now the only way CW breaks even or makes a profit for WB/CBS is by charging local stations for those spots and their primetime sunday block/10pm block all around.

But I doubt that Warner would be willing to make a new cartoon block until CW starts doing decent in ratings.

Which sounds to me like an uphill challenge, since I've never even heard of the CW before now, and I have no idea if I get it on my TV(which gets Boomerang and the Hub in addition to CN).

 

[wingsabre]

The CW does not actually have a Saturday morning block like Kids WB. It contracts out that slot. Before they contracted out the slot to 4kids, and now it's contracted out to Saban for the Vortexx block. What I do find interesting is, looking at the Vortexx schedule, it has Justice League Unlimited on the block, and most of what is being aired are syndicated reruns. The only first run series in America are Dragonball Z Kai, Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexa!, and Transformer's Prime.

I enjoyed watching Justice League Unlimited, however it is out of date, and it would make much more sense if WBA at least had season one of YJ reair in JLU's place instead. The reruns should help promote toy sales, and reruns in general always add revenue to the company that license it.

But I doubt that Warner would be willing to make a new cartoon block until CW starts doing decent in ratings.

This is actually one of those situations where ratings don't really have a huge factor compared to basic profit margins and legal requirements. Almost all major broadcast networks have abandoned Saturday morning cartoons in the traditional sense, and have really settled for rearing educational programing, or contracted out their morning slots to other companies. Like Qubo, Discovery Kids, or 4Kids Entertainment. That's because they are now legally required to provide certain hours of educational programing for kids each week, and it's very hard to make a profit when they produce some of those shows. That's partly why they've reaired Magic School bus on all of the major networks.

I think if they really want to attempt DC nation on a broadcast network, it has to be a primetime time slot, and they have to treat it like how they treat the Simpsons, Family Guy, etc... I think the producers can get more interest for something like Saturday morning CW programing if they make each episode slightly shorter, and produce small educational content similar to what Captain Planet Did. Like Red Arrow telling kids to stay away from drugs, or Nightwing telling kids to always tell the truth. That would probably qualify the series as an educational programing and make it cheaper to air.

Mod Note: Double Post Merged. Use The Edit Button Instead of Posting Twice In A Row

 

[Dayspring]

I think the only way this show could be brought back is if a massive letter-writing campaign took place similar to Star Trek and Jericho's. We're talking 10,000+ snail-mail letters sent along with deliveries of something related to the show. Some physical item referencing "Crashing the Mode" (ice cream a la mode, maybe?), for example, in the way that Jericho had thousands of bags of peanuts in reference to how its series talked about how the expression "nuts" was used to show extreme displeasure. This would be easier with the GL series: go to your comic shop, buy one of the corps rings, mail the ring in.

Even then, this would only get us a final season.

 

[DjJuice5]

I'm disappointed that YJ is cancelled as well. I think the main problem was that they kept trying to market YJ as a kids show when it never really appealed to kids. I think they should bring the show back as a recurring DTV series. That way YJ will reach the teenage and young adult fanbase directly and if the first DTV sells well, they can contuine the series from there. To me it's a far better alternative to BatmanBatmanSupermanBatmanSupermanSupermanBatman(occasionally a Justice League movie)then more Batman and Superman ad nauseum.

 

[ShadowStar]

I think the only way this show could be brought back is if a massive letter-writing campaign took place similar to Star Trek and Jericho's. We're talking 10,000+ snail-mail letters sent along with deliveries of something related to the show. Some physical item referencing "Crashing the Mode" (ice cream a la mode, maybe?), for example, in the way that Jericho had thousands of bags of peanuts in reference to how its series talked about how the expression "nuts" was used to show extreme displeasure. This would be easier with the GL series: go to your comic shop, buy one of the corps rings, mail the ring in.

Even then, this would only get us a final season.

Why don't we try something like this then? Suggestions, anyone, for what to send in Young Justice's case? (I've posted my letter and will gladly post more, but if there's anything else I could do...)

 

[DocLandru]

After seeing all of 'The Runaways,' my first thought was "Oh, boy..." as in "Bloody hell, it's no longer about HOW The Team and the JL will win but rather IF they can win!" We have to seriously face the possibility that it may take a team-up with The Light to force The Reach to withdraw. It was bad enough that The Light dug out and sicced Red Volcano on Star Labs to stir the pot, just so Lex could make a play to start his own team with the rebellious four; but that was nothing to the sinking feeling I got when Black casually joined the rooftop conversation between Green and Blue, thereby implying that Green's appearance was actually The Reach's doing, in an apparently successful attempt to put Blue's Scarab back on mode without rebooting it - and that implies that The Reach have had to deal with offline Scarabs before, which would also account for Black's casual suggestion to the Head Scientist to just reboot Blue's Scarab back in 'Before the Dawn,' making The Reach just as Bobby-Fischer-like as I've said The Light is. The real terror here is that since M'Gann could not penetrate Green's deception, who will warn The Team and the JL now? And again, HOW IN HELL did Ted Kord manage to get the Blue Scarab offline in the first place?

To make things worse, the researcher in charge of the daily routine seemed bored to have to deal with these teens - which was a direct factor encouraging those teens to abandon Star Labs. You have to ask: What were the Star Labs staff thinking to treat these traumatized teens like they were new pieces of equipment to be tested? These teens needed therapy as badly as The Team did in the wake of 'Failsafe,' as well as the training that they were getting. THAT just leaves me with the question of whether the researcher (or someone else close to the project) was working for or being controlled by The Light just to 'encourage' the teens to run away.

... Suggestions, anyone, for what to send in Young Justice's case? ...

I had thought about another way we could encounter the final season if all else fails: get together with Greg and Brandon and all their notes for the Season 3 eps and paperback- (or hardback-) novelize it. I know people would prefer to at least have a graphic novel, but DC has already shut down the partner comic for YJ; so it does not seem likely (to me, anyway) that they would rev the comic production team up for this any more than they would rev up a production team to run Season 3 straight to video. But given the twists in 'The Runaways' I'm beginning to have my doubts about getting closure for any (much less 'all') of Earth-16's storylines in the half-dozen or so eps left to us. I'm seriously tempted to offer my services as a writer for the project for nothing more than a taste of the gate. Seriously, because good stories need to have a beginning, a middle, AND and end...

 

[CyberCubed]

I'm actually getting worried that Greg Weisman didn't wrap up all the plots by the last episode. We only have 6 episodes left, and I can tolerate some loose ends, but I would hope all the main stories would be finished:

1. The Reach defeated in the finale, obviously.

2. The Justice League comes back from their trial

3. Sportsmaster/Chesire reconcile with Artemis

4. Aqualad and his father after he finds out he was an undercover agent.

5. The Light possibly teaming up with the heroes to defeat the Reach.


And this is not counting the minor subplots like the Superboy/Miss Martian/Lagoon Boy love triangle, or Arsenal and Green Arrow, or Kid Flash/Artemis, etc.

I have a bad feeling the show isn't going to have a good ending.

 

[Santino]

I don't know, the fact that stuff might not get wrapped up is going to make this one of the most epic series finales ever. For the first time, we honestly don't know if the heroes are going to come out on top.

 

[Northern Sun]

I'm actually getting worried that Greg Weisman didn't wrap up all the plots by the last episode. We only have 6 episodes left, and I can tolerate some loose ends, but I would hope all the main stories would be finished:

1. The Reach defeated in the finale, obviously.

2. The Justice League comes back from their trial

3. Sportsmaster/Chesire reconcile with Artemis

4. Aqualad and his father after he finds out he was an undercover agent.

5. The Light possibly teaming up with the heroes to defeat the Reach.


And this is not counting the minor subplots like the Superboy/Miss Martian/Lagoon Boy love triangle, or Arsenal and Green Arrow, or Kid Flash/Artemis, etc.

I have a bad feeling the show isn't going to have a good ending.

I share some of these worries as well. Ever since "Depths" the thing I've been looking forward to most is Artemis and Kaldur trying reconnect with their friends and family after they come back, things like Kaldur+Aqualad+Manta and Artemis+Paula+Green Arrow(not to mention some Spitfire reunion stuff, I'm a sucker for it), and Nightwing facing the music for his plan. There's a possible wrap-up to the undercover plotline in "Complications", but given what we learned in "The Runaways" it could potentially be at the end of "The Hunt". They could have it as a B-plot while the rest of Team does something more relevant, but I worry that they'll skip over it(or that something bad will happen to them). And don't get me started on Wally coming back.

I'm still fairly confident that the League will be victorious, if only because having the Earth conquered and killing off a bunch of main characters limits what they could have done(or could do, if some miracle happens) with future seasons(basing an entire season on a Reach resistance movement would frankly be dull and have too much in common with Invasion, in my opinion). I remember Greg saying things like he was hoping to eventually work Cissie/Arrowette in if given enough episodes, which I think would be harder to do with the Reach winning or a 1000 year time skip.

 

[PretenderNX01]

Which sounds to me like an uphill challenge, since I've never even heard of the CW before now, and I have no idea if I get it on my TV(which gets Boomerang and the Hub in addition to CN).

CW is the channel "Smallville" ran on in the USA. It currently has "Arrow" which on occasion outperforms NBC's comedy offerings on Wednesday against it.

CW was made from the merger of WB (original home of Smallville) and UPN (original home of Top Model) It's a terrestrial broadcast station, around here it's shown as a sub-channel of the CBS local affiliate over the air but on it's own channel on basic cable.
The CW Television Network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CW4Kids ran new episodes of 'The Batman' and 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' after it took over from KidsWB
Toonzai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But now Saband Brands runs "Vortexx"as their kids programming
Vortexx - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[wingsabre]

I'm honestly fed up with this. I typically wake up early on Saturday morning, watch the east coast feed on the CN ipad app, then watch it again in the west coast cable feed, and I'll have it play in the background on Sundays, picking up on details I miss the first time due to lack of sleep. That means CN got 4 times the advertisement from me, and I'm not going to do it anymore. I hate the CN commercials, specifically the music for their pointless award show. I hate their advertisement for gumball. I rather eat fruit than see it talk. I hate all lego associated programing. I refuse to finish watching the series on CN. I already bought the season pass on Amazon. It's available on Netflix. I've just cut the cord and canceled my cable subscription. I've always flirted with cutting the cord, and CN has just made it easier. The best outcome from this is I'll be able to watch YJ and GL TAS anytime I want, in HD, and I'll sleep in on weekends.

 

[swarlock]

Do you own a Wii (U), Xbox 360, or Playstation 3? Roku Box works too, I think.

With other priorities in place there's no room in the finanical budget for any of these items. Sorry.

 

[Marvelman02]

I have a feeling there will be a few unresolved storylines when the show ends.

 

[Kindness King]

I just saw this message on Cartoon Network's Facebook page.

Thank you to all our fans for expressing just how much you love DC NATION on Cartoon Network. There's still more new Young Justice and Green Lantern: The Animated series to enjoy in the coming weeks. And DC Nation isn't going anywhere! There will be plenty of new adventures coming your way later this year!

Hopefully, this means they've been paying attention to Twitter.

 

[Santino]

That doesn't mean anything. They're just saying that there's new episodes of Young Justice and DC Nation is gonna stick around with TTG and Beware.

 

[brickrrb2]

What you guys need to understand is that these days CN cares more about money then fans and ratings

 

[firefoxprime]

What you guys need to understand is that these days CN cares more about money then fans and ratings

They've always cared about money. Man...1 step forward, 2 steps back. Guess we'll never see that hypothetical Firebreather series....oh well.

Our culture is being molded into short attention span buffoons. Give anime/cartoons a national stigmatism with a slab of ignorance, you've just...meh, you get the picture.

After watching that Razr X Aya GL episode, I remembered why these shows are so awesome. The characters felt "real". Great story, action, etc. Its not about the fight, but the reasons behind it. What's at stake.

 

[Light Lucario]

I'm actually getting worried that Greg Weisman didn't wrap up all the plots by the last episode. We only have 6 episodes left, and I can tolerate some loose ends, but I would hope all the main stories would be finished:

1. The Reach defeated in the finale, obviously.

2. The Justice League comes back from their trial

3. Sportsmaster/Chesire reconcile with Artemis

4. Aqualad and his father after he finds out he was an undercover agent.

5. The Light possibly teaming up with the heroes to defeat the Reach.


And this is not counting the minor subplots like the Superboy/Miss Martian/Lagoon Boy love triangle, or Arsenal and Green Arrow, or Kid Flash/Artemis, etc.

I have a bad feeling the show isn't going to have a good ending.

Out of that, I can only see the Reach being defeated, or at least revealed as villains to the general public, the Justice League returning from the trail and maybe Aqualad being revealed as an undercover agent happening by the finale. There's just far too much going on to cover everything within six episodes for a satisfying finale.

 

[ShadowStar]

Looking back on Greg's comment about being swamped with work, let's hope he's referring to an Earth-16 spin-off. I mean, if he wasn't, then it was a bit cruel of him to phrase it like that at a time when lots of Young Justice fans were waiting with baited breath for word on season 3. It led a few people on, with good reason. So maybe it was some kind of veiled reassurance? A spin-off would be nice... though I think we should still push for a mini-series.

And on that note, please take a look at the pinned thread concerning writing in to request a mini-series. I hope people are taking note of it and using the letter template.

 

[Kindness King]

That doesn't mean anything. They're just saying that there's new episodes of Young Justice and DC Nation is gonna stick around with TTG and Beware.

They won't say it directly for certain reasons, but the part I bolded makes it pretty clear they have heard the feedback about Young Justice and Green Lantern. It's at least a pretty strong hint.