"Son of Batman" Animated Feature Pre-Release Discussion (Spoilers)

[darkdetective]

Here's hoping this is just one in a series of Morrison's Batman arcs being adapted. At the very least I hope we get a Batman and Robin movie at some point down the line.

 

[Lord Sidious]

There's a simple answer to that... Batman has a lot more stories that arguably better and more acclaimed than Superman does.

Plus, in my opinion, almost all the Superman stories that have been adapted into features haven't been all that great compared to the Batman ones (All-Star Superman is the exception for me, as it is the only solo Superman feature that I've really liked).


I know everyone wants diversity, but really, Batman is the most popular character DC has -- unfortunately, even Superman isn't even as popular, though he should be -- so stop complaining about too much Batman, when he is obviously the main seller which enables us to continue getting these animated features.

That is why Batman needs to introduce other characters I.e. more JL movies. With Batman plus other superheroes around him, DC would expand their cash flow with other superheroes other than Batman.

In 2015, I have a feeling the 3 new animated movies will involve Superman/Batman movies to coincide with the live action one.

 

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I disagree with that to some extent, there are plenty of great Superman stories aswell, you could adapt pretty much any of his origin stories but if course that limits you because you can't keep making animated films on his origin. But I guess alot of the best Superman stories are team ups and/or feature various other heroes like Matt Wagners Trinity, Kingdom Come, various from the Superman Batman series, Panic in the Sky, Superman and the Legion of Superheroes, etc. However, there's also amazing solo stories like Exile (which could easily be done and the reasons why could he exiles himself could be covered in flashbacks), Red Son (I o gel this would be problematic to make with the do you have Russian accents or not), Eradication (infact the entire Krypton Man series), Last Son, etc.

I do agree Batman has more but there's a ton of Superman stories aswell as other JLA stories etc that they could have done. But I think the two
Batman films will be awesome so I'm happy.

You say you disagree to some extent, but nothing you just posted really disagrees with what I said. Not trying to make an argument, but aside from the team-up stories and previously mentioned Elseworld story Red Son, there's not very many Superman solo stories on your list. And those that you did name aren't really that great or acclaimed, especially compared to the Batman ones I've named.

I used the word "acclaimed" often, because it means more when a story is widely regarded with praise, than when it is just a personal favorite. I know you're a Superman fan and you have your own favorite Superman stories you feel are great, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are widely regarded as great stories.

On the other hand, there are a lot of people who personally hate Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, but there are a heck of a lot more people who love it. Controversial or not, it is an acclaimed story.

I think being acclaimed by so many is what helps keep a story alive in a classic sense, and is what makes it important and a source of influence on follow-up stories and translations into other mediums.

 

[I_Spyral]

There's a simple answer to that... Batman has a lot more stories that arguably better and more acclaimed than Superman does.

Please. Batman has Frank Miller's stories and Grant Morrison's run. I wouldn't call the rest "critically acclaimed."

The answer is that people will pick up anything with Batman on the cover, and that the creators are generally Batman fanboys.

 

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

Please. Batman has Frank Miller's stories and Grant Morrison's run. I wouldn't call the rest "critically acclaimed."

The answer is that people will pick up anything with Batman on the cover, and that the creators are generally Batman fanboys.

You wouldn't call Jeph Loeb's The Long Halloween or Hush and Alan Moore's The Killing Joke acclaimed?

Don't confuse popular with acclaim -- Though, one hand does shake the other when it comes to both.

The Batman books I listed are all big sellers and continue to be big sellers for a reason. Even the recent Court of Owls by Scott Snyder has gotten some acclaim over what Morrison has done with Action Comics. That's not because one is a Batman story and one is a Superman story, it's because one is widely regarded as better than the other. And Morrison has had much greater success with both Batman and Superman in the past.

And I think it is more about the fact that most creators find it easier to write Batman than to write Superman, and that makes them drawn to the character and, for the most part, write better stories.


I would like to say that I'm as much a big fan of Superman as I am of Batman, but when it comes down to it, Batman has a lot more stories that I reread than Superman has. Simple as that. And as a fanboy, I don't just read any old thing with Batman on the cover -- I'm just as selective with buying a Batman comic or graphic novel as I am with buying a Superman or any other character or group book.


The truth of the matter is that Batman does outsell Superman; So yeah, Batman is more popular -- whether it's because he's not super-powered, therefore more relatable, or whether because he's dark and mysterious, edgy and gritty, or because he's continued to accumulate a strong following based on the success of his comics, movies and televisions shows -- it really doesn't matter -- Batman is arguably the most popular character in all of literature and pop culture, so people need to get used to the fact that Warner Bros. and DC Comics will always be pushing the character in one form or another and he won't be going away anytime soon.

 

[suss2it]

BFB's brought up a lot of solid points regarding Batman & Superman. Yeah Bats is gonna get more projects done be it comics, movies, TV, games or these animated films, because when it comes down to it people just like him more. Which to me is awesome since I'm a big Batman fan. But the Superman fan in me isn't offended or anything cause its not like he's exactly lacking when it comes to these animated films. He's had, what 4 so far? Plus he co-starred in that Captain Marvel short. Not to mention the two Superman/Batman movies that are more like Superman movies featuring Batman. So yeah, its not like we Superman fans are in a drought or anything.

 

[BigFatHairyDeal]

They can make a billion Batman movies, and that wouldn't bother me in the least. It only bothers me when they do stories that pit Batman with other heroes and make the other characters seem less important or competent.

I look forward to this one.

 

[kid rabbit]

if they can do a ton of out of continuity for batman and superman stories like this and red hood
why don't they try it with the other justice laugers

wonder woman

love and murder:accuse of murder and publicly hated and feared wonder woman gets a secert id as F.B.I agent Diena Prince with new partner nemesis
blood:the new 52 story that gives wonder woman a dad
hikerteia:wonder wonder woman vs batman to protect a young woman accuse of murder from the furies

green lantern

emerald twilight
rebirth
blackest night
brightest day

aquaman

the trench
throne of Atlantis
death of a prince : where aqua mans son dies

flash

rouge war

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Just thought I'd note that Jay Oliva has seemingly confirmed that Son of Batman has the same art and character designs from Justice League: War.

James Tucker has also said that Jason O'Mara will be voicing Batman in his solo adventures... based on the actors availability. However between this and Miereanu's statement that O'Mara is ''the Batman voice for some time now'', it looks like he'll have a trifecta next year.

NYCC 2013 VIDEO: The Creators of 'Justice League: War' - CraveOnline

Oliva comments @ 2:00

Tucker's comments @ 1:40

 

[James Harvey]

The first trailer for Son of Batman is live exclusively at TV Guide!

Son of Batman is directed by Ethan Spaulding, from a Screenplay by Joe R. Lansdale adapting a Story by James Robinson.

 

[Gold Guy]

That trailer was really good, and so was the animation. I wasn't excited for this before, but now I'm hyped.

 

[Hero Supreme]

The first trailer for Son of Batman is live exclusively at TV Guide!

Still on the fence about the story choice, but the trailer looks fantastic.

 

[Dragonpiece]

Looks great, can't wait to watch. Always had a different voice for Damian in mind, but sure, whatever.

The first trailer for Son of Batman is live exclusively at TV Guide!

Son of Batman is directed by Ethan Spaulding, from a Screenplay by Joe R. Lansdale adapting a Story by James Robinson.

I thought the story was by Grant Morrison?

 

[KYO'NYUU IMOUTO]

The link does not appear to be working. Ack.

 

[James Harvey]

I thought the story was by Grant Morrison?

It is. James Robinson wrote the story for the animated film, based on Morrison's work, which was adapted to a screenplay by Landsdale.

Jacob, try the link in the post again. If it still doesn't work, just click here.

 

[reflection01]

That looks like the beginning of something fantastic and I'm not just talking about one movie.

 

[KYO'NYUU IMOUTO]

Thank you James~!!

Wowzers, was that bad. That's some awful, atrocious animation. The cut of Ras fighting was stiffer then a tree stump.

 

[I_Spyral]

You wouldn't call Jeph Loeb's The Long Halloween or Hush and Alan Moore's The Killing Joke acclaimed?

Hush and Long Halloween go back to what you were saying about certain stories being popular rather than acclaimed. I'll give you Killing Joke, though even Alan Moore thinks that one is terrible.

What I'm disagreeing with is that Batman having more films is because of having more critically acclaimed stories, because that doesn't reflect the actual movies so far. Sure you have Year One and the DKR films. But beyond that you have Gotham Knight - not an adaptation of any comic, Under the Red Hood - the comic wasn't acclaimed and the film improved things.

 

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

That looks great! I love Damian, so I've been looking forward to this. The designs and animation look fine to me.

Hush and Long Halloween go back to what you were saying about certain stories being popular rather than acclaimed. I'll give you Killing Joke, though even Alan Moore thinks that one is terrible.

What I'm disagreeing with is that Batman having more films is because of having more critically acclaimed stories, because that doesn't reflect the actual movies so far. Sure you have Year One and the DKR films. But beyond that you have Gotham Knight - not an adaptation of any comic, Under the Red Hood - the comic wasn't acclaimed and the film improved things.

Man, I haven't been here in awhile, and I come back to comment on a trailer and get hit with an old debate..LOL

Anyway, you lost me, because I don't agree with what you are saying about Killing Joke and The Long Halloween -- they are both acclaimed stories. Just because they aren't on the same level as Frank Miller's stuff, which extended beyond casual comic readers, does not make them unacclaimed within the comic-book-reading fanbase.

But okay, we haven't seen too many of Batman's "acclaimed" stories adapted yet, but that doesn't mean that those stories in their original form didn't contribute to his popularity and the demand for more Batman. I'm not even sure what the original comments or what the debate was we were having at this point (and I don't have time right now to go back and re-read the thread), but I will say that Batman has a lot more stories than any other character in the DC universe that are actually worth reading, and unfortunately Superman doesn't compare, despite having a lot of great ones. That's just my opinion, but it seems to agree with his level of popularity and a majority of comic book "must-read" lists.

 

[coluanprime]

I must say, I really didn't like Jason's voice from what I saw in the Justice League War clips but I love him in this! Guess he needed some time...