Hal Jordan

[Sodam Yat]

The only way I see Timm and the other guys bringing in Hal is through and alternate universe storyline where Jordan gets trapped in our reality.

Start it off at the beginning of season 3 with Extant appearing to the League looking for help. He tells them that a single man will be responsible for the destruction of all realities. This man does not exist in there reality but will bring nothingness to it just the same. The League ask questions like “Why look to us?” or “Why not another Justice league?”. Extant explains that in other realities this man is one of them, a Leaguer if you will. And that he can not trust the others to kill one of their own. Time being precious, Extant whisks them away to an alternate reality, where they come face to face with Hal Jordan and the spiting images of themselves except for Stewart. A fight ensues. The League could get their alternate realities opinions on Jordan as they fight. After the battle the League realizes that they can not bring themselves to kill this man that they have fought beside. Extant appears and tells them they must but they refuse. “You leave me with no choice” Extant echoes as the same flash that brought them to this reality returns them home. One thing is different. There seems to be an extra member of the Justice League. In the end, Extant faces the screen and addresses a single man with a familiar voice. Extant says, “Everything is going according to plan” or something not so obvious. “Time is on our side”, says the familiar voice. The screen flashes green then fades to black.

You wouldn’t have to keep Hal on as a Leaguer and replace Stewart. He could wander the cosmos searching for a way home. A continuing guest star as the season goes on. It would culminate with his attempt to return to his own reality by asking this realities guardians. Seeing as he is not really a GL of theirs they say no. Jordan then kills off the GL’s on Oa and enters the Central Battery. Or something like that.

By leaving Jordan’s history alone, Timm and Co. can appease the fans and I’m sure themselves. His origins remain intact so we see the same man we new and loved from the comics. Flashbacks could show his past and. You could show John Stewart as an architect if you want. I don’t think Coast City should have been destroyed in his reality. Since that is the reason Jordan became Parallax. You could substitute his yearning to bring back his home with his yearning to return to his home.

Do to the fact that Time jumping is something that can’t exactly be explained, they can use one of those storylines where the fact that Parallax is turning Hal Jordan into himself as “just one of those things” that fans let slide. Not internet fans, but Hal Jordan fans. I happen to be a bit of both.

It’s something that Bruce Timm said in one of his interviews on a JL DVD. This will be the last time we get to see these characters animated for years to come. Do to all the writers and artists and fans that brought Hal Jordan to life, it would be a tragedy to let him pass by a generation of kids.

I’m not a writer. I’m just trying out ideas. It’s a story that I’d like to see animated in Justice League. But if it came down to a Hal Jordan and a lousy story or no Hal Jordan and a good story I’ll take the good story every time.

Opinions are more than welcome from all fans JL fans.

 

[Nightwing]

That sounds very interesting, and really think it would be an honor to have Hal in our Animated DCUA world. It could be an interesting way of going about it, but something inside me feels like Hal shouldn't have to be existing only in a dimension/universe that is alternate from our own. I understand the idea though, since I'm sure actually fitting him in there would be hard to do if possible at all.

I dunno, maybe he WAS Green Lantern back in the 1960s (within the DCU Animated world that is) and we just haven't heard about it yet. Of course that could put a strain on the animated universe canon that we're currently in because then each time you write for this animated Hal in the 60s business you'd also have to keep in mind the BTAS, SupermanTAS and TNBSA episodes that would come later plus BTAS always had a retro 1940s look to it for the sake of the Batman character's actual "birth" not to mention the oh no I've gone crosseyed...

lol. Owie...

MEDIC!!!

 

[Harvey Dent]

In my head, the story revolves around the League helping out some town, when John bumps into Hal. You can tell by the way they act towards each other that there isn't a whole lot of love there. Flash is curious, so he does some digging and discovers that Hal used to be a Corps member back in the 70s and 80s. Hal doesn't care much for John because, when JS was a rookie, he testified against Hal in an internal GLC investigation regarding Hal's last battle against his nemesis Sinestro. That investigation led to Hal being removed from the Corps, and he's been a little upset since. Anyway, Sinestro makes his return, and thanks to some Qwardian tech (and maybe some help from Kanjar Ro), he manages to take down the League, leaving John and Hal the only ones who can save the others...provided they don't knock each other out first.

I can actually see some of the scenes in my head, and they look pretty good. Especially the part where a badly beaten John tosses his ring to Hal.

John: Do...what you do best. Take Sinestro out...

Hal hesitates for a moment, then places the ring on his finger.

Hal: Hope I remember how to do this.

A green aura surrounds Hal as his clothes are replaced by the uniform of the GLC. He looks at himself, then begins to concentrate. Another flash, and the uniform changes to reveal "his" classic outfit, complete with white gloves and shoulder points. He smiles.

Hal: Just like riding a bike.

Sinestro appears, and is shocked by what he sees.

Sinestro: Jordan! I thought you were finished!

Hal: No...but in a few minutes, you will be.

 

[Condiment King]

Harvey, your idea is fantastic! I'd love to see that made into the animated universe.

The way I figure the DCAU timeline, Hal Jordan would have had to become Green Lantern around the time that Bruce became Batman (B:TAS) and Clark Kent became Superman (S:TAS). In the timeline, I figure that "Last Son of Krypton" Part 3 and "On Leather Wings" are at about the same time. So, somewhere around here, Hal Jordan is Green Lantern along with peer John Stewart and Abin Sur (who becomes Kyle Rayner). You could also work Guy Gardner in here.

Season 2 spoiler from the Hong Kong/Israel thread:

Spoiler

I'm also very interested to see if the one that John Stewart does lose in "Hearts and Minds" is either Katma Tui or Tomar Re, considering they both died in the comics. Will Katma Tui be the love interest of John Stewart here as well? That'd add alot more to her potential death.

 

[Extra]

Harvey, your idea is fantastic! I'd love to see that made into the animated universe.

The way I figure the DCAU timeline, Hal Jordan would have had to become Green Lantern around the time that Bruce became Batman (B:TAS) and Clark Kent became Superman (S:TAS). In the timeline, I figure that "Last Son of Krypton" Part 3 and "On Leather Wings" are at about the same time. So, somewhere around here, Hal Jordan is Green Lantern along with peer John Stewart and Abin Sur (who becomes Kyle Rayner). You could also work Guy Gardner in here.

Season 2 spoiler from the Hong Kong/Israel thread:

Spoiler

I'm also very interested to see if the one that John Stewart does lose in "Hearts and Minds" is either Katma Tui or Tomar Re, considering they both died in the comics. Will Katma Tui be the love interest of John Stewart here as well? That'd add alot more to her potential death.

Yeah, I like Harvey's idea alot better too. Non of that alternate universe mumbo-jumbo, we've had enough of that already.

The tricky part would be to decide what to do with Hal Jordan after interducing him and giving him a ring again. Should they just reretire him, or try doing the whole "Paradox" thing?

Spoiler

Arkkis Chummuck and Galius-Zed bite the dust early in "Hearts and Minds", and yeap, Katma and Stewart had a "history" together.

 

[Knight]

The way I figure the DCAU timeline, Hal Jordan would have had to become Green Lantern around the time that Bruce became Batman (B:TAS) and Clark Kent became Superman (S:TAS). In the timeline, I figure that "Last Son of Krypton" Part 3 and "On Leather Wings" are at about the same time

I've always thought that in the animated universe (unlike the comics) it appears to me that Bruce Wayne has been Batman alot longer than Clark has been Superman. By years I would say. Dick Grayson was already in college around the time of "Leather Wings".

 

[The Detective]

I've always thought that in the animated universe (unlike the comics) it appears to me that Bruce Wayne has been Batman alot longer than Clark has been Superman. By years I would say. Dick Grayson was already in college around the time of "Leather Wings".

Yeah, because in THE LAST SON OF KRYPTON Part 3 (I think it's 3) Martha Kent says to Clark, "You don't want people to think you're like that awful Batman in Gotham" so we know that Batman had been in business long enough for his existence to be believe and not some urban myth, as well as long enough to gain such a reputation for Martha to use such a harsh tone.

Oh what the topic? Yeah well since I believe this is probably the last DCUA animated series we'll see for a while, (at least from Bruce Timm) I really hope Hal Jordon shows up. Here is my idea for a timeline.

The way I see it Hal was the green lantern of sector 2814, and his backup was John Stewart. There was a huge battle and Hal was wounded so bad he couldn't continue to be a green lantern. John Stewart was sent away for training and Abin Sur was give 2814. Enter IN BRIGHTEST DAY, Abin Sur gets killed gives ring to Kyle. Then the Guaridans decide to reinstate John to 2814 and send Kyle away for training.


So um yeah I have an idea for his appearance. I'll probably turn it into a fan fic one of these days. It's a little confusing to explain but it would have elements of Crisis on Infinite Earths, Kingdom Come, Zero Hour, and the Death Of Superman.

 

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

In my head, the story revolves around the League helping out some town, when John bumps into Hal. You can tell by the way they act towards each other that there isn't a whole lot of love there. Flash is curious, so he does some digging and discovers that Hal used to be a Corps member back in the 70s and 80s. Hal doesn't care much for John because, when JS was a rookie, he testified against Hal in an internal GLC investigation regarding Hal's last battle against his nemesis Sinestro. That investigation led to Hal being removed from the Corps, and he's been a little upset since. Anyway, Sinestro makes his return, and thanks to some Qwardian tech (and maybe some help from Kanjar Ro), he manages to take down the League, leaving John and Hal the only ones who can save the others...provided they don't knock each other out first.

I can actually see some of the scenes in my head, and they look pretty good. Especially the part where a badly beaten John tosses his ring to Hal.

John: Do...what you do best. Take Sinestro out...

Hal hesitates for a moment, then places the ring on his finger.

Hal: Hope I remember how to do this.

A green aura surrounds Hal as his clothes are replaced by the uniform of the GLC. He looks at himself, then begins to concentrate. Another flash, and the uniform changes to reveal "his" classic outfit, complete with white gloves and shoulder points. He smiles.

Hal: Just like riding a bike.

Sinestro appears, and is shocked by what he sees.

Sinestro: Jordan! I thought you were finished!

Hal: No...but in a few minutes, you will be.

That would be awesome. I like that idea.

 

[Anthonynotes]

Well, ignoring that the S:TAS w/Kyle in it infers that the Animated version of Hal's apparently an Air Force staff member, I'd settle for "whatever version gives Hal the respect he deserves as a character" (i.e., no "Parallax"/"really a villain" dreck)...

-B.

 

[tony]

I love Harvey's idea and they could say that Hal was a GL back when Batman started and maybe not technically when Superman started. and on a side note they could say that Barry Allen used to be Flash around the same time Batman and Hal Jordan (GL) started. ha ha and Wally came about a littille after Superman.

 

[Mr. Obsession]

Yeah, because in THE LAST SON OF KRYPTON Part 3 (I think it's 3) Martha Kent says to Clark, "You don't want people to think you're like that awful Batman in Gotham" so we know that Batman had been in business long enough for his existence to be believe and not some urban myth, as well as long enough to gain such a reputation for Martha to use such a harsh tone.

Actually it was "that nut in Gotham." And my personal theory is that Last Son part 3 takes place at some point between SubZero and the flashback from Old Wounds. But anyway...

I'd actually rather not have them use Hal. The animated universe isn't the comics, there's no need to feature every all the different versions of the different characters. I mean, Kyle basically had Hal's origin and look, and John essentially has Hal's background. Can't we just leave Hal as an unseen member of the Air Force?

If they had gone with gone with the early drafts of "In Brightest Day" then it would have been John who got the ring, not Kyle, then the whole "lets include every GL from Earth that ever appeared in the comics in the animated universe" ideas would probably be a non issue.

 

[DarkLantern]

If they had gone with gone with the early drafts of "In Brightest Day" then it would have been John who got the ring, not Kyle, then the whole "lets include every GL from Earth that ever appeared in the comics in the animated universe" ideas would probably be a non issue.

Actually, the early drafts I've seen has Hal getting the ring.

DL

 

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Actually it was "that nut in Gotham." And my personal theory is that Last Son part 3 takes place at some point between SubZero and the flashback from Old Wounds. But anyway...

I'd actually rather not have them use Hal. The animated universe isn't the comics, there's no need to feature every all the different versions of the different characters. I mean, Kyle basically had Hal's origin and look, and John essentially has Hal's background. Can't we just leave Hal as an unseen member of the Air Force?

If they had gone with gone with the early drafts of "In Brightest Day" then it would have been John who got the ring, not Kyle, then the whole "lets include every GL from Earth that ever appeared in the comics in the animated universe" ideas would probably be a non issue.

Everyone here is well aware that the comics and the animated shows take place in completly different universes. We were just discussing the coolness of having Hal be on the show. I for one think that Hal deserves more than being an unseen member of the Air Force.

 

[EmaHalJordan]

Hal Jordan

Yeah!!!!

 

[The Detective]

Actually, the early drafts I've seen has Hal getting the ring.

DL

Ah what could have been, what could have been.

 

[Nick K.]

hey if john stuart and kyle rayner both get some attention, then so should hal. he is undeniably the greatest gl in the comics.

 

[EmaHalJordan]

Dark Lantern, there is some hope?

 

[EmaHalJordan]

The two-part episode "The Green Loontern" of Duck Dodgers will air on Saturday, Oct. 18 on Cartoon Network. In the episode, due to a mistake at the dry cleaners, Duck Dodgers gets a Green Lantern uniform instead of his own. Wearing the garment, mask and ring, Dodgers gains full Green Lantern powers. He must then thwart the wicked Sinestro's plan to usurp the combined power of the Green Lantern Corps. Kevin Smith will provide the voice of Hal Jordan in the episode.

HAL JORDAN... SINESTRO...
COOL

 

[Condiment King]

Yeah, that was announced like a month or so ago, though I don't remember an exact date. Cool, October 18th, only a month away of dreaded waiting. I don't know which is the Condiment King Moment of the Year, the debut of Green Lantern-focus Justice League two-parter "Hearts and Minds" or "The Green Loontern" Duck Dodgers episode.

This is a good enough substitute for Green Lantern: The Animated Series for me. Again, Hal Jordan shouldn't be in the Justice League after a season with John Stewart. He should have a cameo to one two-parter at most in my mind.

 

[DarkLantern]

John "Q" De Lancie portrays Sinestro in the Duck Dodgers episode, by the way...

As for hope of Hal showing up in JL -- for what I hear, slim to none.

DL