"Harley Quinn" Season Five Talkback (Spoilers)

[Yojimbo]

Kind of weird how this is the gayest version of the DC universe and we are getting confirmation there is no Tim Drake.

We did. He was the Robin strapped to the rocket by Joker and Harley in Bruce's memory when Harley went into his head in season 3. So if we logic it out and if he's not on the wall of dead family, he's not dead. (confirmation this was Tim)

 

[Magmaster12]

We did. He was the Robin strapped to the rocket by Joker and Harley in Bruce's memory when Harley went into his head in season 3. So if we logic it out and if he's not on the wall of dead family, he's not dead. (confirmation this was Tim)

Does it really count if there is a cut scene though?

Plus this latest episode is proof they don't care much about continuity now.

 

[Yojimbo]

Does it really count if there is a cut scene though?

Plus this latest episode is proof they don't care much about continuity now.

It wasn't a cut scene. He was referring to something else. In the episode "Batman Begins Forever", there's a brief shot of Robin/Tim strapped to the rocket at Bonus Brothers then present-day Harley takes his place in the memory of the event. I asked Borak if that Robin was Tim. He confirmed that was Tim then told me about a cut gag that showed how Batman burned through Robins.

But yes, a bit of a continuity gaff but easily waved away that falling in the vat of acid in season 1 and 2 made Joker forget Bruce is Batman and Jason was a Robin (as he knew his secret identity as shown when he taunts Batman in the flashback in the "All the Best Inmates Have Daddy Issues").

 

[Frontier]

I half-wonder if part of the reason Harley is so focused on being more tidier and organized is subliminal mind-control from her experience with Brainiac, which is also projecting as the nightmares .

This is probably the most Bruce content we've gotten since season 3. He's still an out-of-touch and often insensitive billionaire, father, and human being but at least it seems like he...means well? I mean, he actually showed grief and regret over Dick's death and wanting to reconnect with Damian which is more than I can say for his depictions in prior seasons. So...progress ?

Honestly I know this show is big on brushing aside most of the characters' major grievances with each other for the sake of the plot...but seriously, how is anyone okay with Joker being here after he shot Babs? They're treating him like it never happened and he's just part of the cast again .

Also did Joker forget Bruce Wayne is Batman? It never came up once in the episode even when they were alone and Joker was just treating Bruce like he was another billionaire guy (despite having used his knowledge of Bruce being Batman to get him thrown in prison). It's why he didn't seem to realize he killed Jason Todd because he didn't realize Jason was the second Robin .

It's actually kind of neat how Jacob Tremblay has grown into playing Damian just like Stuart Allan did. I mean, this is far from my favorite version of Damian, but it's still appreciated .

Oh, so Lois and Clark (make that Superman) were living together in the apartment building courtesy of Bruce. Convenient! Though it seems like Lois is frustrated that her relationship with Superman defines her more than her career .

I'm starting to think that Bruce is once again far more invested in a relationship with a woman than the woman is. Could Lena be using him in her plot with Brainaic ?

I didn't expect them to reference the DamianxRaven ship...or to then put Damian in a new relationship with Joker's step-daughter. Man, that's a crack ship if ever I've heard one .

I guess this was some attempt at a redemption for last seasons' treatment of Nightwing when we have Dick as Red X (not that they even name him or explain where he got the suit and what it even means) basically soloeing Batman, Robin, Joker, Harley, and Poison Ivy all at once and was only stopped by Bruce finally acting like a proper father. They didn't even throw in a butt joke! Instead they replaced it with jokes about his name! Uh...progress ?

Okay, so Alfred was behind Dick's resurrection via Talia I guess. Probably NOT what the original writers were planning for that storyline (they even forgot Damian was there when he was resurrected), but once again it's clear that they just want to move on and be done with this plot .

I can't believe they actually broke Alfred! Season after season of watching the main cast basically get away scott free for all the terrible things they do (none of which they actually refute) and Bruce treating him awfully (he didn't even know Alfred's last name!?) finally drove him to become a Venom-Enhanced murderous Macaroni! I can't believe I even typed that to be honest .

I feel like most versions of Lois Lane would totally not have left the scene of a massive Superhero fight because she'd want an exclusive report on it...and would probably have ACTUALLY thought about prioritizing getting kids out of there .

"This makes us even, okay" - Well, yeah, because clearly the writers have no interest in actually having anyone hold Harley accountable for what she did and they want to move on from this plot that the previous showrunners set up just like they did the Gotham City Sirens plot. I bet Babs will find out that Harley killed Dick and just shrug it off even though she went crazy trying to find his killer last season .

So is everything going to be back to status quo with Alfred? He was arrested and lead away but Bruce acted like he'd have him out and back to normal by the next day .

I honestly had forgotten this season was advertised with Harley getting a job at the Daily Planet, but now we know it's because she and Lois are having the same dreams of Brainiac (meaning Lois was probably mind-wiped at some point) and are trying to crack the case. Will Harley also expose Clayface as Perry ?

 

[Yojimbo]

I mean, he actually showed grief and regret over Dick's death and wanting to reconnect with Damian which is more than I can say for his depictions in prior seasons. So...progress ?

I recall you were vehement about this, glad it was addressed finally.

but seriously, how is anyone okay with Joker being here after he shot Babs? They're treating him like it never happened and he's just part of the cast again .

Yeah... it was a bit of a precarious situation in terms of secret identities being preserved. Namely a big name reporter being there.

Also did Joker forget Bruce Wayne is Batman? It never came up once in the episode even when they were alone and Joker was just treating Bruce like he was another billionaire guy (despite having used his knowledge of Bruce being Batman to get him thrown in prison). It's why he didn't seem to realize he killed Jason Todd because he didn't realize Jason was the second Robin .

Like I've kept saying this week, they didn't do a good job of really outlining what Joker retained and lost after both his dunkings in the show but for the sake of canon, chalk it up to he forgot Bruce and Jason's secret identities.

I'm pretty sure Mayor Joker had Bruce arrested on tax evasion just because he's the richest white guy in Gotham and Joker wanted to net a big fish after winning on his socialist platform. Nothing to do with being Batman (i.e. I don't recall it being said Joker did it because he knew he was Batman and funneling money to pay for his operations).

Okay, so Alfred was behind Dick's resurrection via Talia I guess. Probably NOT what the original writers were planning for that storyline (they even forgot Damian was there when he was resurrected), but once again it's clear that they just want to move on and be done with this plot .

Sure. There is some wiggle room. Damian was taken by the League and naturally would be present with Talia. He could just have assumed Talia was resurrecting Nightwing to get back at Harley and Ivy. She did cut ties with Ivy in the season 4 finale and was visibly angry watching them shoot up Gotham since she was running Wayne Enterprises at the time.

I bet Babs will find out that Harley killed Dick and just shrug it off even though she went crazy trying to find his killer last season .

Yeah, curious if Babs/Oracle will show up again this season or if it's being saved. It seems likely the Bat-Family is about to be reconstituted and naturally Bruce would invite her back into the fold. Will she or will she work solo is the question. Or write her off and adapt the run for Congress? Or formally intro Cassandra Cain and Babs mentor her. Or there's that story of Brainiac trying to possess Babs when she was paralyzed in the comics but eh, don't think they're playing that aspect in this show's take on Brainy. Comics Barb also worked with Task Force X for a while anonymously. Or form her Birds of Prey team idea and intro Black Canary and Huntress? Lot's of possibilities.

So is everything going to be back to status quo with Alfred? He was arrested and lead away but Bruce acted like he'd have him out and back to normal by the next day .

I guess he promised Thomas he would take care of Bruce back in the day but doesn't Alfred still have the wine thing to fall back on?

Will Harley also expose Clayface as Perry ?

I feel like she would undoubtedly ruin his scheme even if not on purpose, lol.

 

[Frontier]

Yeah... it was a bit of a precarious situation in terms of secret identities being preserved. Namely a big name reporter being there.

That's actually an interesting point. So far it doesn't seem like Lois knows Bruce Wayne is Batman (even if that begs the question why he holed up her and Superman in the same apartment complex) .

I'm pretty sure Mayor Joker had Bruce arrested on tax evasion just because he's the richest white guy in Gotham and Joker wanted to net a big fish after winning on his socialist platform. Nothing to do with being Batman (i.e. I don't recall it being said Joker did it because he knew he was Batman and funneling money to pay for his operations).

It wasn't said out loud but I think it was definitely implied by the way Joker handled it and exposed Bruce, rather than just targetting him purely for being rich. But retcon ahoy .

Yeah, curious if Babs/Oracle will show up again this season or if it's being saved. It seems likely the Bat-Family is about to be reconstituted and naturally Bruce would invite her back into the fold. Will she or will she work solo is the question. Or write her off and adapt the run for Congress? Or formally intro Cassandra Cain and Babs mentor her. Or there's that story of Brainiac trying to possess Babs when she was paralyzed in the comics but eh, don't think they're playing that aspect in this show's take on Brainy. Comics Barb also worked with Task Force X for a while anonymously. Or form her Birds of Prey team idea and intro Black Canary and Huntress? Lot's of possibilities.

Don't forget about Spoiler being active in Gotham from out of nowhere .

 

[Yojimbo]

Episode 6 (52) "Bottle My Heart" - February 20, 2025

After Lena divulges Brainiac's plans to the Daily Planet, Harley, Clayface, Bane and Frank try to take him down with an original musical.

 

[RoyalRubble]

Pretty good episode overall, again a bit too crowded but not quite as fun as last week's. Lena telling the truth about Brainiac, everything about their partnership and his plans. I mean we didn't hear the entire 4 hours long speech but we got the gist of it.

Funny how Harley managed to see through Clayface's brilliant disguise as Perry. Her fight with Lois at the start was pretty amusing, too. Accidentally confessing they murdered Woodrue, bragging about playing a non-singing hill in a musical, Lois' Pulitzer, all good stuff.

The idea to do a musical to warn people of the coming threat is just crazy enough to work. I didn't think the musical was that funny, I thought the preparation for it was more entertaining. But I liked how Ivy started being so invested in it as it played. Not sure what to make of Frank's predicament at the end. That was a pretty dramatic way to end the episode.

 

[Yojimbo]

Kind of disjointed but yet the episode just flew by.

Lot of breakdowns and partnership enders. Who will be more dangerous, a Brainiac who knows he's crazy and alone or a Poison Ivy crazy with grief? We shall see.

Wow, Lois finally had it and quit the Daily Planet. Over a retraction. Though what will unemployed Lois do is an intriguing notion. Superman's not around and she is no longer at the place she's come to know better than her own home. Could make for an entertaining wild card until status quo is restored in the season finale.

Oh well, Lena was just Lena.

I thought it was funny that Lena was the only one who didn't like the play. Only other thing that got me to laugh was Lois punching Harley over the neck insult. And well, amusing Vril stopped to watch the play about him.

Knew Harley would see through Clayface's acting, lol, and put it to good use. Blackmail. lol.

Well, those who didn't like the murder mystery last week now have a true murder mystery to solve. The logical suspect is Floronic Man survived somehow and killed Frank. At this point there's no one else other than Andy Serkis's agent who would have to kill Frank. Though I would not put it past this show to reveal there is no killer and that Frank died of a delayed reaction to the nuclear fallout at La Planta Franca Resort & Spa or he copulated himself to death. Regardless of what happened, JB Smoove's delivery of Frank's final words, "I love you... Mom" was soul crushing but well done. And now we have a potentially dangerous Ivy, crazy from grief.

"I love you... Mom"

Rest in Power, Frank.

Easter egg, finally figured out the channel 4 screen in the Daily Planet bullpen. From the 1:20 mark of episode "Finding Mr. Right" when Harley flips channels and everyone is covering the foiled credit union robbery by Joker.

The frenetic speed at which this season presents a new story then quashes it in the next episode is starting to have a noticeable affect on the show being able to stay on its feet. The episode was already unruly from swiftly connecting Harley, Ivy, Frank, Bane, Clayface, and Lena on a shared trajectory but just characters breaking down left and right left a lot to be desired. By the time the curtain rises to a dying Frank, as tragic as that is, the audience is exhausted and throwing their arms up in the air that now there's yet another crisis and mental breakdown on the horizon, this time with Ivy.

 

[AlwaysInTheZone]

No, pretty obvious what happened, Lena murdered Frank because she intends to blame and frame Brainiac for it, manipulating Harley and Ivy to go kill Brainiac for her since they weren't as angry as they needed to be for the conflict to heighten

 

[Neo Ultra Mike]

"Bottle My Heart" - So I pointed out in the last episode that though I did enjoy it I felt it went off the rails when it became about Alfred becoming Macaroni Bane instead of dealing more with the fallout of Nightwing/Red X and having that be the focus of the story. I will say this episode didn't have that problem... because it went off the rails literally in the first minute. What could have really been this interesting episode with Harley and Lois playing off one another trying to find clues about what Braniac was doing and seeing their obviously differing personalities clash quickly fell apart in literally one minute. Like though I did appreciate showing how the Gotham City Sirens fell apart and at least found that funny, I do get how people felt that was a "okay I know we said we were feeling like doing this... but changed our minds and are doing this instead." Here though it felt like the team or whoever specifically was behind this one really wanted to make a musical episode of all things, and as a result threw this together with very sort of bleh results making a pretty shaky at best episode especially since well... this show is one that shouldn't DO musical episodes.

I'm not someone whose against the idea of having DC shows have musical episodes since some can really work with that formula but man is this NOT one of those shows. You know of all things Teen Titans Go! for all of it's various issues and how it can have the most lazy easy and basic songs as numbers, I will respect when it generally does TRY to have ACTUAL music numbers and songs in it they actually work and make sense for the series. Because not only do they have some general actors who can actually sing, the writers when not just repeating "waffles" over and over actually can make some pretty decent songs worth listening to. Like the "400" episode had one of those actually and shows that team can make a musical episode. This team can NOT do that. I felt that when they brought in Music Meister two seasons ago (which yeah you seriously have music meister in your continuity and don't bring him back for your big musical episode? Shame on you guys shame) and I especially feel that here. And yeah they do make a joke on how Harley can't really sing (though neither really can Tudyk's Clayface or J.B Smooth's Frank) but there are still characters you can write for and make their non singing but still spirited performances really energetic and worth watching. Like Bob's Burgers has a lot of that even in the total "this is supposed to be a put together at the last second kids play" cross of Working Girl/Die Hard I felt they generally got that, but I did not feel that at all. Like again Clayface is a character who can be a lot and shouldn't really be stretched that much so having him have these long solo performances as Braniac shouldn't have been tried unless they had some good killer lyrics even just funny ones to use but they did not. Like oh ha ha Braniac's realizing he's crazy as Clayface is singing about him being crazy... that's as inspired as these numbers get. And when the tune doesn't really have any bite to it you do need those lyrics to carry more which man these ones don't. There are some decent jokes in between them but like the last third is this performance for the most part and it just really dies no matter how much the crowd tries cheering otherwise.

I also have to really question exactly how we even got here. I can at least get the idea of Clayface wanting to make this some sort of grand show with the information but it feels pretty random for Harley to want that. Like yeah she obviously has some pretty selfish and childish desires and I can at least get the story of wanting to cling to that memory of the sound of music to get over her parents fighting one another but wanting to perform and being that sort of diva feels really off. Like maybe if this was taking some shots at Folie a Deux and how half hearted a musical that was or... maybe this is just a showcase that unless she's singing already covered numbers you shouldn't really have Harley Quinn story focus on singing but it just fell out of nowhere. I also don't really get how this was Lena's best plan. I can sort of ignore the idea that she just believed she could actually control and get Braniac to listen to her considering she does have that Luthor ego and I have seen clips of the Supergirl series to know Lena can be that petty and not grasping the big picture but like... if you know that Braniac is now off your leash and needs to be stopped seems like actually getting the other major heroes to try and take care of that would make more sense. Maybe this is part of another plan or again ego but especially in her annoyance of how her telling them everything of the story resulted in the play has me feel "oh yeah this was her plan" and that just feels lame. Again there because the writers really wanted to jam this theater song story into this supposedly tense "oh Brainiac is now making more his move without Lena around and his perfection is coming to a head."

But to try and salvage some pathos from this one it ends with Brainiac finding a way to kill Frank to... make Ivy suffer. Which... just doesn't make sense. Okay I get Braniac was torn up realizing Koko really was dead and wanted people to suffer like he suffered like that part I totally understand. Why is he targetting Ivy though? Like based on other episodes or even THIS episode why doesn't he want Harley to suffer aka the one he feels is the one who is in the way most of his plans on perfecting Metropolis? Or Clayface who finally got him to see that Koko is dead and that he's crazy? Or Lena who flipping betrayed him and told people what he was doing? Why is he going after Ivy here? Because... she was happy seeing her loved ones or something and wanted to take that way from her? I mean that doesn't even make sense considering he's not killing Harley either just like how HIS partner died so if you want her to feel THAT pain you aren't going after all your targets mate. I know Harley's the main character she can't die but then like don't give a reason why Brainiac went this route instead of like all the others he could have taken that doesn't make sense. Granted I guess it's because Brainiac saw that Frank was playing Koko and was able to find Ivy's connection to him but it still didn't come across that well in the scene which is when it's most important and needed to do so. Not to mention that though the acting on Lake Bell realizing Frank is dead is great as is Stephen Fry's "now you feel my pain" I otherwise don't feel this death. I guess it is somewhat surpirsing but doesn't have that total shock of Ivy's death or even the "this makes sense in the moment" even of last season finding what happened to Nighting or Barbara so yeah there is an emptiness to it. Plus yeah we know Frank isn't fully dead like they had that whole scene of him getting off for a reason that will come in play next time.

There were some jokes I did really like with this one; Lois punching Harley and Ivy and Frank talking about how the Hills isn't really even a character, Harley seeing right through Clayface and blackmailing him into trying to get Lois to retract her story about Harley being a 48 year old murderer, everyone sick of Lane talking about her Pulitzer and the "Lady Gaga's middle name is also Jolene", Bane admitting he didn't need to go to the bathroom hearing that long 4 hour story Lena went on about what happened with Brainiac, Harley's annoyance of Bane's script even though it was literally repeating what Lena told them what happened and saying theater isn't about being real, and Lena annoyed the play is making Brainiac too sympathetic. Like I did laugh but like story and action and emotion wise it did leave me rather dry and felt like a weak effort. Probably the weakest so far of the season. Granted now that Braniac is more on the attack things iwll probably pick off more in the last four episodes but yeah this to me feels like the weak point of the season easily.

 

[Yojimbo]

I think they just framed it as Brainiac watching it unfold and commenting Ivy knows what it's like to be him now. Doesn't seem like he's the killer. He was in his room holding Koko's skeleton as the murder took place on Earth. Drones would have vaporized Frank like we saw earlier in the episode.

New character being the killer. Eh, maybe it was Lena if not a revived Jason. She did fund a Superman museum that of all things has a Kryptonite variant that specifically kills plants.

The Pam flashback also pointed out Frank is immune to most poisons.

It looks like he was stabbed/slashed several times.

 

[Frontier]

Well, the Harley and Lois team-up was short-lived because Harley can't help herself and admits she killed Woodrue and Lois, being the diligent reporter that she is, has to report it. I took more enjoyment out of Lois slugging Harley than I expected. Actually, I think I just love Lois Lane beating up Harley Quinn .

Dang, Harley took being a hill in the Sound of Music seriously! For her mental health, even! And probably bullied/assaulted people to get that award .

Did you know Lois Lane has a Pulitzer ?

I knew Harley would see through Clayface!Perry immediately and because of that she can bully him into getting anything she wants in true Harley fashion .

I don't know where Lois got that Harley is in her 40's (unless this timeline really is longer than I expected) but I'm just going to chalk it up to the fact that she doesn't believe in spell check and she doesn't have a competent editor .

Why does it always come back to sex when it comes to Harley ?

So what's Lois going to do now that she's quit? Start her own publication? Go online? If she thinks things are getting especially dangerous, can she contact Clark ?

Honestly I still feel for Brainiac and his delusion that his last companion is still with him .

What does Lena really want? Does she just find Harley and Ivy amusing? Was she always planning to use them to undermine Brainiac? Or was it all just because she's a self-serving person who ultimately wanted Metropolis for herself in true Luthor fashion? Though the Luthor-Brainiac team sure ended fast .

Lena COULD go to actual Superheroes or anyone actually qualified to take down Brainiac...so instead she tells everything to the least reliable people in this entire show. Well, except Bane. He's cool .

Oh, so Brainiac is...straight up vaporizing people who don't fit his perfect criteria. I mean, he's implied he could kill people but it was kind of horrifying to watch .

Is there anyone in the universe who wanted to see Perry White stripped down to his tightie whities and still held captive by Clayface ?

I guess it's consistent with the gang that they would do the bare minimum to warn people about Brainiac while getting out of dodge because it's not their problem. Of course then Harley makes it all about her and her desire to be a star, and we have the plot of the second half .

I have to commend them for just going for a musical segment rather than the cliche musical episode that most shows feel like they need to do these days .

I kept expecting some kind of whitewashing complaint about Harley as Lena, but would Harley even care? Probably not .

How did they know Brainiac's entire backstory? Did Brainaic tell Lena who told them? You'd think, knowing what he went through, Lena wouldn't be talking about him like he's some sociopath monster since there's a reason he's like that but she might just be talking from experience knowing what his true plan is and her own frustration that he screwed her over .

True love means enjoying a terrible performance by the woman you love and your child while another woman is fuming next to you that they totally failed at what she was expecting them to do .

Are they going to set up Ivy being able to reach to Brainiac's humanity? I mean, they're both green, but Ivy was able to empathize with what Brainiac was going through via the play and Brainiac related to her grief over Frank. Could they form a connection through that ?

Poor Brainaic finally realizing he's crazy and that Koko is dead .

Dang, it's all fun and singing and suddenly Frank...dies? Did he do something with that plant? Poor Ivy though. He finally called her "mom" .

 

[Yojimbo]

I don't know where Lois got that Harley is in her 40's (unless this timeline really is longer than I expected) but I'm just going to chalk it up to the fact that she doesn't believe in spell check and she doesn't have a competent editor

I interpreted it as Lois purposely throwing in a random high number like "48" in there simply for spite.

In reality, Harley is in the 33-37 age range as of season 5. The only real clue they ever gave in the show was as a kid she was a Frankie Muniz fan (Malcolm in the Middle was 2000-06) and the college tournament she threw for her father was stated to be in 2009. Been awhile since I looked at timeline stuff so maybe there have been more clues to narrow that guess. Ivy on the other hand, been pretty set, she was born in 1986 (in season 2's finale Jennifer said she was 36 and Ivy knew her since kindergarten so they're the same age presumably) and this latest flashback with Frank's origin was in 2014 (based on Frank saying he's 10 human years old) so calculating graduate school, she was around 28 and just about to get her doctorate when the attempted murder happened which lines with her rant to Jason about how no one believed her and such. So Ivy is actually older than Harley by a year to a few years. But I digress.

 

[Frontier]

I interpreted it as Lois purposely throwing in a random high number like "48" in there simply for spite.

In reality, Harley is in the 33-37 age range as of season 5. The only real clue they ever gave in the show was as a kid she was a Frankie Muniz fan (Malcolm in the Middle was 2000-06) and the college tournament she threw for her father was stated to be in 2009. Been awhile since I looked at timeline stuff so maybe there have been more clues to narrow that guess. Ivy on the other hand, been pretty set, she was born in 1986 (in season 2's finale Jennifer said she was 36 and Ivy knew her since kindergarten so they're the same age presumably) and this latest flashback with Frank's origin was in 2014 (based on Frank saying he's 10 human years old) so calculating graduate school, she was around 28 and just about to get her doctorate when the attempted murder happened which lines with her rant to Jason about how no one believed her and such. So Ivy is actually older than Harley by a year to a few years. But I digress.

I always appreciate your analytical insight Yojimbo .

 

[Magmaster12]

I seriously thought the play was a Hamlet situation where they were trying to get Lena Luthor to tell the truth but I guess I was wrong.

 

[Frontier]

I seriously thought the play was a Hamlet situation where they were trying to get Lena Luthor to tell the truth but I guess I was wrong.

They've never been that smart. Well, maybe Ivy, but she was just letting Harley work .

 

[Yojimbo]

Episode 7 (53) "Frankette" - February 27, 2025

Reeling from a devastating loss, Ivy vows to bring the murderer to justice -- but a surprise addition to the team keeps getting in her way.

 

[RoyalRubble]

I liked Frank's plan more than Lena's. His also worked out better. Frankette is kind of a random addition to the show at this point but whatever. Fun gag with her first word being in Dutch.

Bane also had a pretty good role, visiting the school. Shaun is kind of getting on my nerves seeing him so often but I guess him being annoying is kind of the point.

Depressed Brainiac was an interesting idea. As was Lena's turnaround at the end, and Harley and Ivy having a big fight.

 

[AlwaysInTheZone]

It's like they've been trying to replace King Shark with Shawn and it's just not working (though if there's another spinoff in the works I think it's for King Shark)

Some contrivances to get Lena in the power seat but this endgame seems the best by HQ in awhile