"Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths" Feature Talkback (Spoilers)

[BigFatHairyDeal]

I only watched once, and I don't a copy right now to double check, but based on the logic presented in the movie, only destroying the multiple Earths instead of the entire universe makes more sense to me.

 

[suss2it]

I'm fairly certain in DC Continuity that the OANs were the first sentient beings? (Or was that the Old Gods?) Either Way, being that GL exists we can extrapolate that the OANs did, who are supposed to be much older than even the Kryptonians.

I'm not sure about that whole "Earth is the crux of everything" storyline. It doesn't make sense since in the DCU/DCAU conscious thought existed long before humans did.

Too many plot holes in this one for me to truly enjoy it.

In the current comics continuity the Earth was where life began and I believe that's where the Oans are originally from as well, so maybe this movie was influenced by that.

 

[Replikon Xum]

That's not what Owlman said. He said it would "destroy everything". At least I'm fairly certain he did.

"Once I destroy it [Earth Prime], all of reality will follow."

Yep.

In the current comics continuity the Earth was where life began and I believe that's where the Oans are originally from as well, so maybe this movie was influenced by that.

Highly unlikely, since the original version of this script was written a few years ago...

Xum

 

[SaBaWoJuLe]

McDuffie's reasoning, sadly, represents one of his flaws: instead of being something that even we could understand, he over explains it and creates an answer that's confusing and could've been done better. In short, my answer to "it doesn't matter", that I posted here on the forums, being because Owlman knew he was going to kill himself regardless, and decided not to save himself with the device that Batman threw at him before he took off, makes more sense and should've been the answer, instead of MuDuffie's...explantation that even I cannot explain myself. It's just unnecessary, and why something like mine which is simplier wasn't used, I don't know why.

 

[AlgeaX]

McDuffie's reasoning, sadly, represents one of his flaws: instead of being something that even we could understand, he over explains it and creates an answer that's confusing and could've been done better. In short, my answer to "it doesn't matter", that I posted here on the forums, being because Owlman knew he was going to kill himself regardless, and decided not to save himself with the device that Batman threw at him before he took off, makes more sense and should've been the answer, instead of MuDuffie's...explantation that even I cannot explain myself. It's just unnecessary, and why something like mine which is simplier wasn't used, I don't know why.

Because McDuffie's reasoning explains why any one of an infinite number of alternate Owlmen never succeeded in destroying Earth-Prime. McDuffie's logic seem perfectly sound to me.

 

[tedcassidy]

I liked this DVD quite a bit, but I am a bit sick of Wonder Woman kicking everyone's can, while Superman looks like a wimp..... Ultra Man pretty much mopped the floor with the big red S. I did like the way Aquaman kicked Captain Super around though!

 

[Wonderwall]

Really, I had no problem with Supes. I thought he got a lot of offense in the movie. I don't recall Ultraman whooping him, he held his own against him in the final battle. I think he even got the upperhand before Owlman took off.

 

[Spider-Man]

I really enjoyed the movie. I thought it had a nice vibe comparable to both the comics and the cartoons. It almost felt as if both the JL/JLU cartoons and the Grant Morrison Justice League comics were meshed together. I really enjoyed the score too. The music for the main title sequence was probably my favorite bit of the score.

 

[Rick Jones]

I can't believe that I only just realized that Superman didn't need a space suit here.

 

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

I can't believe that I only just realized that Superman didn't need a space suit here.

Y'know what? I didn't even think about that until you just pointed it out. You're talking about the scene where he's helping build/rebuild the Watchtower, right?

I'm not really sure which approach I like better; I grew up with the all-powerful Superman who can breathe (or hold his breath) in space and underwater, as well as go back in time and move planets, but I prefer having the limitations of a depowered Superman where he has to wear a suit to go out in space and underwater.

 

[BigFatHairyDeal]

I absolutely hate seeing Superman spacesuits. Just seems like a dumb gimmick to sell toys, but more importantly, makes the character look absolutely wrong. If anything needs to be done, give him a breathing mask or something, but the guy doesn't need a full-body suit. That's one level of sacrilege below machine guns on the Batmobile.

 

[Superpan]

While I thought the movie was good, I did not think this movie really took an emotional journey that rewarded you for the experience you took in the movie. While I do know the Crime Syndicate is not exactly the same as Justice League, I think we lost a lot of drama in having it not even acknowledged. Without that, it just became epic fights and superhero cameos, which I must admit I enjoyed. I especially like seeing some of the more obscure characters indirectly adapted for the first time and seeing the Crime Syndicate set up as an actual syndicate, which was a stroke of brilliance.
The only real standout actor was James Woods, who turned in a great performance as Owlman. He made for an interesting performance as the existental villian (or hero?) of the movie. The actors, as I said above, did not have much to work with, so the only ones I found of note were Mark Harmon, because thanks to Family Guy, I love saying his name, and Billy Baldwin, whose Batman was too Milleresque for me. The ending made sense to me because I just assumed since Owlman was the villian, his theory of the multiverse was wrong.

Overall, I am looking forward to Under the Red Hood to bring back emotional character arcs to these movies. ***1/2

P.S. While my main problem with the J'onn/Rose plot was it being rushed and not feeling a connection with either character, I am still confused by interspecies romance. Isn't the point of genders for people to mate within their own species to continue it? I mean, I understand Superman or Hawkgirl, but I do not know how it would work with a martian?

 

[KillerMoth]

The only real standout actor was James Woods, who turned in a great performance as Owlman. He made for an interesting performance as the existental villian (or hero?)

Glad someone else thinks the way I do. Given that the ENTIRE events of saving the Syndicate Earth is rendered meaningless by billions of forever oppressed ones being created alternatively, then Owlman was really the only character to make a real choice in the film and the only single thing of significance in the film, making him a quasi villain protagonist who wanted to abolish determinism and make atleast one meaningful choice; the only one.

 

[ryandcow]

Mark Harmon, because thanks to Family Guy, I love saying his name


P.S. While my main problem with the J'onn/Rose plot was it being rushed and not feeling a connection with either character, I am still confused by interspecies romance. Isn't the point of genders for people to mate within their own species to continue it? I mean, I understand Superman or Hawkgirl, but I do not know how it would work with a martian?

NCIS doesn't do it for you?

With the inter species, even HG is iffy, when you breed lions and tigers, you don't always get ligers, most come out as horribly deformed mutants. The twos relationship seemed really rushed and kinda made Rose seem kinda slutty to rush into an intense relationship with a Martian in like 2 two days.

 

[maczero]

P.S. While my main problem with the J'onn/Rose plot was it being rushed and not feeling a connection with either character, I am still confused by interspecies romance. Isn't the point of genders for people to mate within their own species to continue it?

I would say the desire to procreate is a primal instinct but it obviously doesn't have a tremendous influence on modern relationships. Otherwise, how would you explain homosexual relationships or couples who simply don't want kids?

 

[ShadowStar]

Very good movie, perhaps the best of the 5 DC Universe movies that I've seen. (I haven't seen Wonder Woman or Green Lantern: First Flight.) It did have its fair share of problems though: Batman choosing to stay behind while his teammates went to the other Earth was strange, the sub-plot with J'onn and Rose sort of came out of nowhere and seemed a bit silly at first (especially with the random "we are attuned" stuff), and Ultraman was a bit too quick in suspecting that Superwoman was lying about Owlman's intentions near the end.

Fortunately, it was very enjoyable on the whole: a definite improvement over Superman: Doomsday, more my thing than Batman: Gotham Knight, and better executed as a 75 minute movie than JL: The New Frontier. It was different enough to the alternate universe stories I've previously seen in DC animation to merit watching, and I enjoyed what most (but not all) of the voice actors did with their roles.

It was quite fun spotting places in the movie where we might've had nods to DCAU continuity. Bruce Timm estimated that 95% of the script for Worlds Collide was preserved, so I had to wonder what kind of changes had been made besides replacing John Stewart with Hal Jordan and omitting any mention of what happened in "Starcrossed". I suppose Lex Luthor being in prison on Stryker's Island was one change... and Superman breathing in space at the beginning of the movie was another.

Some people have been giving out about the music, but I liked it. The animation was fine too (I'm thinking particularly of the Wonder Woman vs. Superwoman and Flash vs. Johnny Quick fights towards the end), though some of the character models were a bit weird. The dialogue was great, though I couldn't help but compare the voice actors to those of JL/U. Batman's voice was the one that felt most out of place here (as far as the JL were concerned)... I had reservations about Superwoman's voice too, even though Gina Torres was great as Vixen in JLU.

I'm not too disappointed that this wasn't set in the DCAU, though it would've been nice (not that a JL DTV was really necessary after the excellence of "Starcrossed"... but I'd love to see a JLU one someday). It was a well written story and I really liked it. Can't really fathom why Superwoman agreed to help destroy reality though.

When Owlman said, "It doesn't matter", that was his way of consoling himself over his impending death, right? Because his view of life was that no-one from any universe other than Earth Prime really mattered. That was my understanding of the line.

 

[maczero]

It did have its fair share of problems though: Batman choosing to stay behind while his teammates went to the other Earth was strange,

I think it fits Batman's persona. Timmverse Batman explicitly stated that he was a part-time member of the Justice League and that his priorities were in Gotham. I'm pretty sure the same is true for the comics version. Not to mention no would've been manning the Watchtower if he left. So Bats staying behind makes sense to me.

 

[Wonderwall]

I think it fits Batman's persona. Timmverse Batman explicitly stated that he was a part-time member of the Justice League and that his priorities were in Gotham. I'm pretty sure the same is true for the comics version. Not to mention no would've been manning the Watchtower if he left. So Bats staying behind makes sense to me.

I had no problem with it as Bats is the logical type guy and he gave his reasons. The fact that he says "not this time.." to me said that had the Watchtower been done and if things were a bit less hectic he probably would've gone with them. But they didn't have that luxary and his universe is just as important as CS Earth.

 

[Superpan]

I would say the desire to procreate is a primal instinct but it obviously doesn't have a tremendous influence on modern relationships. Otherwise, how would you explain homosexual relationships or couples who simply don't want kids?

What I meant was that creatures are attracted to other creatures in their species. People in homosexual couples still are attracted to humans, just like Lois Lane or John Stewart. I can even understand J'onn's wife in JLU, because he shapeshifted into a human when with her. How do you explain Rose, who is attracted to a green man with only some similarities to a human being's physiology. It would be the same thing as a woman marrying a male ape. I just find in science-fiction, such as The Battle For Terra, that there are many relationships that seem to border on beastiality.

 

[Rick Jones]

What I meant was that creatures are attracted to other creatures in their species. People in homosexual couples still are attracted to humans, just like Lois Lane or John Stewart. I can even understand J'onn's wife in JLU, because he shapeshifted into a human when with her. How do you explain Rose, who is attracted to a green man with only some similarities to a human being's physiology. It would be the same thing as a woman marrying a male ape. I just find in science-fiction, such as The Battle For Terra, that there are many relationships that seem to border on beastiality.

He's green and he has super powers but he's still a person. He has nothing in common with any sort of animal, he communicates, acts and thinks just as humans do and his overall form is humanoid. He's our equal, if anything he's more advanced. I think this relationship is much more similar to falling in love with someone from a different race and culture than it is to anything relating to bestiality.