"Toonami" News & Discussion Thread

[Lawren22]

Mob Psycho 100 not having a lot of " substance" doesn't mean it's bad. There is more than one thing that can determined the worth of a show.I mean you like Pop team epic and there is not a lot of substance in that either and just becuse shonen is the most popular doesn't mean anime fans of today dont like other types of anime too. Shonen has always been really pouplar DBZ is the most popular anime of all time and it's the shonen poster boy). It appeals more to mainstream audiences( people that aren't really huge anime fans) than other type of do that's why it gets put on the block more.

 

[ZZenigundam]

Can I ask what you honestly think qualifies as a "good" anime.

Now listen up, kiddies. To me, Monster is the best anime I've ever seen. You can complain about the pacing and maybe some of the stuff is a little over your head, but that's nitpicking at something that is way stronger than you realize, and Viz didn't even release the entire series on DVD, which is quite tragic. And yet crap like Naruto, Hunter x Hunter, and Black Clover, the same same same old with different names and faces, is the type of time AS is on. Toonami's programming heads are either severely short sided and delusional or they're a bunch of try hard accountant types who are sacrificing quality just to make the numbers work, even if the increased viewership is trivial at best.

 

[Light Lucario]

Now listen up, kiddies. To me, Monster is the best anime I've ever seen. You can complain about the pacing and maybe some of the stuff is a little over your head, but that's nitpicking at something that is way stronger than you realize, and Viz didn't even release the entire series on DVD, which is quite tragic. And yet crap like Naruto, Hunter x Hunter, and Black Clover, the same same same old with different names and faces, is the type of time AS is on.

Claiming that Hunter x Hunter is a typical shonen series is pretty ridiculous. I can kind of see that with the first couple of arcs, but I think it went off the beaten path of typical shonen by the York New arc at least. I'm not familiar enough with the quality of Naruto, but out of the three examples given, only Black Clover comes off as the typical paint by numbers shonen series, which is one of the many reasons it is unpopular at least with people on this site. Most people hoped that they wouldn't pick up more episodes after the first season and dropped it after they kept airing new episodes. Black Clover does well enough for its timeslot, but it is still put late into the lineup for a reason.

Toonami's programming heads are either severely short sided and delusional or they're a bunch of try hard accountant types who are sacrificing quality just to make the numbers work, even if the increased viewership is trivial at best.

Or they just like the shows they choose for the block and think that they'll be well received due to how popular they already are among fans. I really don't like the condescending tone here. It's one thing to not like what shows they choose for the lineup. That's perfectly fine. But it's rather rude and insulting to brush off the Toonami crew as being short sided and delusional just because you don't like the shows they pick. Toonami isn't designed just to cater to your specific tastes. They want to appeal to a more general audience instead of just making the block for one type of person. As much as I hate SAO and Jojo, both series are still popular and have done well for the block in the past, so they're obviously going to air new episodes of said series when they can. I'm still disappointed when Toonami picks up a series that I don't like or end up disliking, but I just decide to watch or do something else instead of demanding that Toonami makes a block specifically for my tastes in anime.

 

[ZZenigundam]

I'm still disappointed when Toonami picks up a series that I don't like I just decide to watch or do something else instead of demanding that Toonami makes a block specifically for my tastes in anime.

I do the same thing. Oh I only really watch MHA, Megalo, SAO, and Attack on Titan atm. Everything else is swiftly ignored. But this isn't posting with a condescending tone, it's just stating factual information, and the truth does hurt people. If Toonami were to get canceled, people would make up excuses instead of pointing to an obvious lack of variety or ingenuity in the programming. And how long has this been going on? I thought Toonami would have been progressive and taken the reigns from Adult Swim Action, which, in its 10 year existence, was never once overloaded with shonen, at most half of the block was ever shonen, but Toonami is being programmed by the same people who ran the Cartoon Network Toonami in its final 3-4 years apparently, because you'll find nothing but shonen these days. I'm not gonna pretend that they haven't thrown everybody a bone or two with Hellsing Ultimate, Gundam Unicorn, or Parasyte, but those acquisitions are few and far between. And then they give in easily to popular demand, first they say on Pre-Flight "Oh we would never air a series from earlier than 2010" and then a few months later they air Outlaw Star HD, a very good show, but they really lost a lot of credibility with me.

The issue isn't my divergent taste, it's that these guys along with the internet have thrown impressionable anime fans into a whirlpool and now the end result is a block full of shonen that doesn't reach with more mature audiences. Even as a kid, I'm confident I wouldn't have felt these shows. Sword Art Online, I probably would have been into it, but the other shonen heck no. So.... Where was I going with all this? Adult Swim desperately needs a competitor to either take out of the game or change their ways, and I'm not talking Netflix or Crunchyroll, I mean they really need somebody to show them how this is really done. No good TV network programs the same things for years on end. Variety is a simple recipe for prolonged enjoyment.

 

[PicardMan]

@ZZenigundam I do think with the exceptions of Black Clover and Boruto, the majority of the block has appeal to the older crowd. HunterXHunter and JoJo seem to have crossover appeal from the crowd who likes shonen and the crowd that likes edgy anime. My Hero Academia is just that dang good to get an adult fanbase. SAO's fanbase is huge. Let's not forget that Megalobox is totally an Adult Swim Action type of pick. Logically, if "mature=ratings" then why do Dragonball Super and Boruto stomp all the other shows in ratings? Shouldn't Megalobox gain on it? The ratings say those shows are the most watched despite me not getting Boruto's appeal.

 

[Lawren22]

Yeah ,both HxH and Jojo have fans that love battle shonen and fans that straight up do not like most battle shonen going by both thier subreddits. JoJo eventually became a seinen by part 7 and HxH current arc is so complex ( or convoluted) that many people have to reread most of chapters of it to understand what's going on becuse there is so many subplots ,factions and complicated rules. Both this series however are apparently only ment for kids even though one is now published in an adult magazine.

 

[ZZenigundam]

Or they just like the shows they choose for the block and think that they'll be well received due to how popular they already are among fans.

The problem with that theory is that the Toonami crew acceded through Pre-Flight that they only watch a few episodes of most of the series they acquire. They were trying to get the Viz dub of Sailor Moon before they were outbidded for it, without ever having seen it! Oh and so much for "no pre-2010 shows" huh? I'm convinced that Toonami's revival was brought about by the fans of the early 2000s era Toonami, actually I have no doubt because I felt that way 7 years ago. They wanted Gundam Wing (I hate it), Tenchi (strong dislike), Sailor Moon R, Cell Saga DBZ, Outlaw Star, etc even though the Toonami that got canceled was airing Blue Dragon, Ben 10, and Naruto.

I KNOW for sure that most of the Toonami crew hasn't watched the series they put on in their entirety. How would Dimension W ever get on the air if they did? I honestly think they watched a handful of episodes of the shonen they've acquired in the past 6 years and decided "This is a #1 show on Japan, let's let it ride". No... that's exactly what happened. And I'm not trolling or hating on them, I'm just saying that these are EXTREMELY lazy programming tactics.

 

[wonderfly]

@ZZenigundam I do think with the exceptions of Black Clover and Boruto, the majority of the block has appeal to the older crowd. HunterXHunter and JoJo seem to have crossover appeal from the crowd who likes shonen and the crowd that likes edgy anime. My Hero Academia is just that dang good to get an adult fanbase. SAO's fanbase is huge. Let's not forget that Megalobox is totally an Adult Swim Action type of pick. Logically, if "mature=ratings" then why do Dragonball Super and Boruto stomp all the other shows in ratings? Shouldn't Megalobox gain on it? The ratings say those shows are the most watched despite me not getting Boruto's appeal.

An interesting breakdown. And shows there's more variety to the current Toonami broadcast than one might think at first glance. Totally agree that "Megalobox" is an "Adult Swim Action" type pick (the "Adult Swim Action" of 2006 to 2009, at least)...

So maybe:
Dragon Ball Super and My Hero Academia are the "All Star" picks (shows that appeal to both adults and kids).
Boruto and Black Clover are the picks that would appeal to kids.
HunterXHunter and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure are more for adults.
Sword Art Online and Megalobox are "niche" anime (oddities that don't fall into clean categories).
And Attack on Titan (and Shippuden) are reruns. (Yes, Shippuden's "new", but also old..."Boruto" is the "NEW" material).

Now if only there was some Western animation on the block...

I'm convinced that Toonami's revival was brought about by the fans of the early 2000s era Toonami, actually I have no doubt because I felt that way 7 years ago.

Well....yeah. But they were not going to be able to return to airing "toy" anime like "Transformers: Armada" or "Zoids", or just straight reruns of "Outlaw Star" or "Yu Yu Hakusho". I'm actually pleased they've got "Boruto" and "Dragon Ball Super" on the block, for the "kiddies", while still being able to air the "edgier" stuff like JoJo.

It's not a perfect system (again - there's no Western animation on the block, presently), but it's better than what we had in 2012. Or in 2015. (I'm trying to think what year has been the worst since the revival - as far as line-ups go).

 

[ZZenigundam]

Yeah and that kinda frustrates me too because the Toonami I was introduced to as a kid had American shows, and now it's moving toward pure anime, which is something that was Adult Swim Action's identity, but I know I'd rather watch something like Clone Wars or Beware the Batman over all the shonen I don't watch on there. I liked Samurai Jack season 5 more than anything on Toonami except for Unicorn when it was premiering and that's saying a lot because when the original Samurai Jack started on CN, there were so many better shows on that I couldn't even consider it in my top 10.

 

[Darklordavaitor]

Does anyone really want to go back to ASA? I mean, they had Death Note, one of the most popular anime and manga series of all time in the states, on at more or less the height of its popularity, and it got mediocre ratings.

 

[ZZenigundam]

Does anyone really want to go back to ASA? I mean, they had Death Note, one of the most popular anime and manga series of all time in the states, on at more or less the height of its popularity, and it got mediocre ratings.

We all know that only happened because that was when a lot of people were turning away from TV and watching anime on the internet. If it had aired on Adult Swim in the early 2000s (yeah I know DN didn't exist, we're talking hypothetically), it would have been a huge success because it would have been the only option to see it for free. And this age is even worse with all of the expanded streaming options and a generation that largely is more used to Netflix than cable television, so my contention is that there's no REASON for Toonami to even load up on all these shonen when a variety of shows would achieve about the same ratings anyway since there's nothing they could possibly do to get viewership to explode because of the times we're living in.

 

[PicardMan]

On the topic of streaming, the Viz shows should be a huge draw because they aren't gonna be streaming anytime soon (JoJo 1-2 is streaming and the first 52 or so episodes of HunterXHunter but that's about it). It seems that isn't a big draw as casuals would rather stream the subs than watch it on Toonami. Every AAA anime title will be streamed in a sub or dub format, but I know some people are wanting the obscurish pics in the vein of the early days of the Toonami revival (Casshern Sins type picks). Would the ratings really raise if Toonami took that approach?

 

[ZZenigundam]

but I know some people are wanting the obscurish pics in the vein of the early days of the Toonami revival (Casshern Sins type picks). Would the ratings really raise if Toonami took that approach?

Dude, if you're referring to me, just know I hate Casshern Sins. That and Deadman had to have been emergency acquisitions just to get Toonami back because I know they didn't have much money or support with the revival might as well have been a Kickstarter revival, and I don't even think they have money now, but they have contractual obligations to fill and that's why we're seeing what we're seeing. I refuse to believe that they consciously and willingly pumping out these shonen on the airwaves, some of which they won't even finish (why acquire something that you won't finish?). We're looking for mature TV-MA level anime because anime on Adult Swim was intended to be what couldn't air on regular Cartoon Network and Toonami on Adult Swim has only aired a handful of those types of series and has perverted the whole idea. The way CN is going, next thing you know they'll have Sesame Street on their airwaves and move Total Dramarama to Toonami.

 

[Light Lucario]

I do the same thing. Oh I only really watch MHA, Megalo, SAO, and Attack on Titan atm. Everything else is swiftly ignored. But this isn't posting with a condescending tone, it's just stating factual information, and the truth does hurt people. If Toonami were to get canceled, people would make up excuses instead of pointing to an obvious lack of variety or ingenuity in the programming. And how long has this been going on?

No, you aren't stating factual information. Your tone still comes off as rather condescending and your argument is basically complaining about the amount of shonen series and/or how the shows Toonami picks don't appeal to your tastes. The only point your making that I can kind of agree with is the lack of variety, but I'm not sure if that is as huge of a problem as you're making it out to be. Yes, there are a lot of shonen series on the block, but would people in the general audience be that familiar with those kind of series to be an issue? Dragon Ball Super, Hunter x Hunter and Black Clover are all shonen series, but I'm not going to mix up the characters or storylines from those series. I doubt that anyone would. I assume that the general audience involves more people who are just casual anime fans, so having a lot of shonen series might not be really any different for them if that is the case.

Honestly, my main concern with the amount of shonen series has more to do with how they lock up a slot for years on end more than anything else. That just limits what shows Toonami can pick up and risk making the lineup more stale

I thought Toonami would have been progressive and taken the reigns from Adult Swim Action, which, in its 10 year existence, was never once overloaded with shonen, at most half of the block was ever shonen, but Toonami is being programmed by the same people who ran the Cartoon Network Toonami in its final 3-4 years apparently, because you'll find nothing but shonen these days. I'm not gonna pretend that they haven't thrown everybody a bone or two with Hellsing Ultimate, Gundam Unicorn, or Parasyte, but those acquisitions are few and far between. And then they give in easily to popular demand, first they say on Pre-Flight "Oh we would never air a series from earlier than 2010" and then a few months later they air Outlaw Star HD, a very good show, but they really lost a lot of credibility with me.

Regardless of how you feel about the schedule, the Toonami crew have way more freedom and control over the block than they did when it was on Cartoon Network. I don't recall hearing them say on Pre-Flight that they wouldn't air a series earlier than 2010. They originally said that they wouldn't air anything older than Cowboy Bebop, so I'm not sure if they had changed their minds or if there was more to the conversation than just what you're saying here. I also still have no idea who Gundam Unicorn could be considered mature in any sense. I thought that it was boring as dirt and I doubt being familiar with Gundam lore would have made it any better for me.

The issue isn't my divergent taste, it's that these guys along with the internet have thrown impressionable anime fans into a whirlpool and now the end result is a block full of shonen that doesn't reach with more mature audiences. Even as a kid, I'm confident I wouldn't have felt these shows. Sword Art Online, I probably would have been into it, but the other shonen heck no. So.... Where was I going with all this? Adult Swim desperately needs a competitor to either take out of the game or change their ways, and I'm not talking Netflix or Crunchyroll, I mean they really need somebody to show them how this is really done. No good TV network programs the same things for years on end. Variety is a simple recipe for prolonged enjoyment.

I really don't understand why exposing "impressionable" anime fans to shonen series is such a bad thing in the first place. Those tend to be pretty popular even on streaming sites like Hulu and Crunchyrol, so it's not like this is just something that Toonami is doing here. Not to mention being exposed to shonen series doesn't mean that they can't eventually find and like other kinds of anime series out there. I'm not sure if they wanted to appeal specifically to mature audiences. They can air anime mostly uncut on Adult Swim, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they'd only want to have more edgy and mature kinds of series on the block.

Besides all that, I really don't like the idea that a "mature" show is automatically better than any shonen series or that those kind of shows would be more appealing/successful on the lineup. I hated Black Lagoon, Tokyo Ghoul and Akame ga Kill. The only "mature" series that Toonami has aired that I've liked was Parayste. The so called "mature" series usually come off as too dark or trying too hard to be edgy. I'd rather watch My Hero Academia and Mob Psycho 100 over any of the mature series Toonami has aired. I don't recall how well those mature series did ratings wise, but I don't think that they attracted a lot of attention during their runs. Megalobox isn't exactly mature, at least in the sense that I think you're using the term here for, or a shonen series, but it isn't bringing in huge ratings despite being a different kind of series for the block.

The problem with that theory is that the Toonami crew acceded through Pre-Flight that they only watch a few episodes of most of the series they acquire. They were trying to get the Viz dub of Sailor Moon before they were outbidded for it, without ever having seen it! Oh and so much for "no pre-2010 shows" huh? I'm convinced that Toonami's revival was brought about by the fans of the early 2000s era Toonami, actually I have no doubt because I felt that way 7 years ago. They wanted Gundam Wing (I hate it), Tenchi (strong dislike), Sailor Moon R, Cell Saga DBZ, Outlaw Star, etc even though the Toonami that got canceled was airing Blue Dragon, Ben 10, and Naruto.

I'm aware that they only watch a few episodes. I'm pretty sure I mentioned that to you in one of the other times you've complained about the lineup too and that they have mentioned it multiple times before in the past when people ask them how they choose a show for Toonami. I imagine that at least some of them have seen Sailor Moon before the Viz redub, so it's doubtful that they hadn't seen anything of the series before. Although, I don't think the Sailor Moon redub would have been a good fit for Toonami anyway.

The shonen on the original Toonami wasn't the reason why it was canceled though. Cartoon Network was just less and less interested in the block over time, which resulted in them having less time slots and new shows. I'm pretty sure Toonami was half reruns by the time it finished its run on Cartoon Network. They were also more interested in focusing on their own properties instead of trying to find some success with a third party property like with anime.

I KNOW for sure that most of the Toonami crew hasn't watched the series they put on in their entirety. How would Dimension W ever get on the air if they did? I honestly think they watched a handful of episodes of the shonen they've acquired in the past 6 years and decided "This is a #1 show on Japan, let's let it ride". No... that's exactly what happened. And I'm not trolling or hating on them, I'm just saying that these are EXTREMELY lazy programming tactics.

I can't really blame them for not watching the series they put on in their entirety. While that would give them a better impression on a series than just the first few episodes, I'm sure that they don't have time to do that, especially when their staff is still pretty small and I don't think that they're paid for their work on the block either. Plus, expecting them to watch an entire series before putting it on their lineup just wouldn't be feasible in most cases. Dragon Ball Super was still airing new episodes in Japan when the dub started and I don't know how much of Hunter x Hunter was dubbed when they were given the chance to air it. There might also be a time pressure in making their decision before losing out on a series. I'm sure that was the case with Dragon Ball Super since a lot of channels would have wanted to air a new Dragon Ball series.

I'm sure that they do factor in the popularity of a series, but since they decide on what to air now without anyone else telling them what to air like they did when the block was on Cartoon Network, I'm also pretty sure that they still enjoy the shows that they put on the block for the most part. There are only a couple of series where I think that they regret picking them afterwards, such as GXP, but for the most part, they've expressed their enjoyment in other series that they've picked up. I remember a comment saying that they were hoping to get Part Three or Part Four of Jojo because they like the series.

Yeah and that kinda frustrates me too because the Toonami I was introduced to as a kid had American shows, and now it's moving toward pure anime, which is something that was Adult Swim Action's identity, but I know I'd rather watch something like Clone Wars or Beware the Batman over all the shonen I don't watch on there. I liked Samurai Jack season 5 more than anything on Toonami except for Unicorn when it was premiering and that's saying a lot because when the original Samurai Jack started on CN, there were so many better shows on that I couldn't even consider it in my top 10.

While I can understand that frustration to a degree, they also don't really have a lot of choices here when it comes to western animation. They had some choices with shows like Beware the Batman and Thundercats, but since Cartoon Network wrote them off, they legally can't air those shows. Same with Sym-Bionic Titan, despite how fans would love for a continuation to be made like with Samurai Jack. Western cartoons that appeal to adults that they can air on the block are pretty minimal at best, so their hands are tied in that regard.

Dude, if you're referring to me, just know I hate Casshern Sins. That and Deadman had to have been emergency acquisitions just to get Toonami back because I know they didn't have much money or support with the revival might as well have been a Kickstarter revival, and I don't even think they have money now, but they have contractual obligations to fill and that's why we're seeing what we're seeing. I refuse to believe that they consciously and willingly pumping out these shonen on the airwaves, some of which they won't even finish (why acquire something that you won't finish?). We're looking for mature TV-MA level anime because anime on Adult Swim was intended to be what couldn't air on regular Cartoon Network and Toonami on Adult Swim has only aired a handful of those types of series and has perverted the whole idea. The way CN is going, next thing you know they'll have Sesame Street on their airwaves and move Total Dramarama to Toonami.

This is one reason why I really have a hard time taking your claims against Toonami seriously. Because Toonami isn't full of TV-MA level anime, they might as well just air preschool shows or Total Dramarama on the block? That's a pretty ridiculous leap. Adult Swim has been full of TV-PG and TV-14 rated shows/episodes before. It's not like TV-MA was the only rating the block had before Toonami came around. TV-MA is also not a mark of guaranteed quality. I would still rather watch a good shonen series over a dark edgy "mature" series.

Plus, I can't really see a lot of the anime Toonami has picked up airing on Cartoon Network without some significant edits/changes. SAO, Jojo, Hunter x Hunter, Attack on Titan and Megalobox definitely couldn't work on Cartoon Network proper. The fights are too intense, blood is shown frequently and/or death actually happens, so there wouldn't be a good way for those to fit on the channel without being chopped up into pieces. Dragon Ball Super would probably work with minimal edits and maybe Boruto too, although I don't know how the fight scenes work in that series or they do deal with characters dying. My Hero Academia might have worked for the first season, but I think that the fights in season two, especially against Stain, would have made editing for the Cartoon Network audience pretty difficult, if not impossible. This is all rather moot considering that Cartoon Network doesn't have any interest in anime nowadays, not even with toyetic series, so if these shows wouldn't be on Toonami, they wouldn't be on Cartoon Network either.

 

[ZZenigundam]

Wow.... where do I even begin...

 

[PicardMan]

Now that I think of it, Adult Swim has aired tons of TV-MA shows during the revival, Deadman Wonderland, Black Lagoon, Hellsing Ultimate, Parayste, Kill La Kill, Akame ga Kill, and Tokyo Ghoul (back in 2017). I think only Deadman Wonderland, Kill La Kill Parasyte and Akame ga Kill were major hits (with Akame ga Kill and Kill La Kill making it big based on fanservice rather than violence). There is a small minority who want mega obscure overlooked shows in the vein of Casshern Sins and Dimension W, using the latter show's unusually high ratings in spite of the hate it got as evidence that obscure shows sell. Maybe that type of pick would raise ratings, but I don't know if it's obscurity really helped Dimension W or just the fact that Toonami in general was on a hot streak.

 

[Golden Geek]

Toonami airs shows that are aimed at kids in Japan because:

a) Due to content issues, you can't aim them uncut at kids here.
b) No kids networks are willing to gamble on editing a non-toyetic or video game connected series now that they can't even share any merchandise royalties on.
c) They're the most popular shows, as evident by Super outshining the rest of the block every single night.

There's also the content issues that come with many MA-rated anime and the costs of editing them.

 

[wonderfly]

Kind of a side note at this point, but...

Does anyone really want to go back to ASA? I mean, they had Death Note, one of the most popular anime and manga series of all time in the states, on at more or less the height of its popularity, and it got mediocre ratings.

The "Adult Swim Action" of 2002 to 2005? Yes! Part of me would love for Adult Swim to recreate the energy that era had.
The "Adult Swim Action" of 2006 to 2008? No. There was some experimentation done during this period...but outside of Death Note and Bleach, I wasn't fond of it.
The "Adult Swim Action" of 2009 to 2011? Absolutely not. This was when darkness swept across the land...

 

[ZZenigundam]

Kind of a side note at this point, but...



The "Adult Swim Action" of 2002 to 2005? Yes! Part of me would love for Adult Swim to recreate the energy that era had.
The "Adult Swim Action" of 2006 to 2008? No. There was some experimentation done during this period...but outside of Death Note and Bleach, I wasn't fond of it.
The "Adult Swim Action" of 2009 to 2011? Absolutely not. This was when darkness swept across the land...

Toonami on Adult Swim pails in comparison to ASA imo, and I'm even saying the ASA that played Trinity Blood and later Kekkaishi. I honestly thought Ani-Monday was pretty amazing minus the annoying bumpers that tried to emulate Japan, because they showed the action, scifi, and horror programming that we expected from Adult Swim in its early days. Even a series like Mobile Suit Gundam, which AS cast off and showed Char's Counterattack to finish it, so those who didn't see the last couple of episodes on New Year's Eve-il (Me! I fell asleep with my TV on and had already missed so many of the previous episodes.) were given an abrupt, albeit great conclusion that didn't require watching the end of the series to understand it just because CN wanted to get rid of the oldie, but I'm not trying to ramble, but even a show like THAT from the late 70s gets hyped on YouTube and is referred to in a cringeworthy way as 0079 because they're probably watching the sub and not Bandai's timeless dub, but my whole point is that Toonami doesn't have to inundate us with fresh out of the bakery shonen to appease teenage anime afficiondaos because even they will acknowledge pure quality if they're exposed to it. If you keep showing them crap like Dragon Ball Super and Naruto: Shippuden, that's what they'll assume is excellent .

 

[PapaGreg]

Toonami on Adult Swim pails in comparison to ASA imo, and I'm even saying the ASA that played Trinity Blood and later Kekkaishi. I honestly thought Ani-Monday was pretty amazing minus the annoying bumpers that tried to emulate Japan, because they showed the action, scifi, and horror programming that we expected from Adult Swim in its early days. Even a series like Mobile Suit Gundam, which AS cast off and showed Char's Counterattack to finish it, so those who didn't see the last couple of episodes on New Year's Eve-il (Me! I fell asleep with my TV on and had already missed so many of the previous episodes.) were given an abrupt, albeit great conclusion that didn't require watching the end of the series to understand it just because CN wanted to get rid of the oldie, but I'm not trying to ramble, but even a show like THAT from the late 70s gets hyped on YouTube and is referred to in a cringeworthy way as 0079 because they're probably watching the sub and not Bandai's timeless dub, but my whole point is that Toonami doesn't have to inundate us with fresh out of the bakery shonen to appease teenage anime afficiondaos because even they will acknowledge pure quality if they're exposed to it. If you keep showing them crap like Dragon Ball Super and Naruto: Shippuden, that's what they'll assume is excellent .

You know while I do want Toonami to get more out there content(Ping Pong The Animation) I do think its unfair to say Toonami only shows Battle Shonen. Is it overexposed yes but they do show other things like Lupin, Megalobox, Space Dandy, and Samurai Jack. And yes while Shonen is over exposed I find that Hunter X Hunter is better written than a lot of mature anime in the AS era including Code Geass and Death Note


And even if you don't like Mob Psycho 100 that show is still an animated spectacle and goes on to reflect on deep themes