"Marvel Cinematic Universe" News & Discussion, Part 8 (Spoilers)

[RoyalRubble]

I'm guessing Thunderbolts is also part of Phase 5, so there might be more movies and shows, just haven't announced all of them yet. Or, if "World War Hulk" was true it could be Phase 6.

EDIT: Nope, it seems Thunderbolts is the finale for Phase 5.

EDIT #2:
Fantastic FourSDCC 2022: Marvel Studios' 'Fantastic Four' Release Date Announced - November 8, 2024 is apparently the start of Phase 6.

Avengers: The Kang Dynasty - May 2, 2025.

Avengers: Secret Wars - November 7, 2025.

"Welcome to the Multiverse Saga".

 

[Action!]

More projects will be announced at D23.

 

[Neo Ultra Mike]

I assume most of those will be the TV shows for Phase 6 but probably a couple of other movies for that phase as well.

 

[Hulkwummy]

I hope to god that the Incredible Hulk : World War movie is one of those 8 untitled MCU projects, or I'm gonna be as mad as the green goliath himself.

 

[Frontier]

From the "Infinity Saga" to the "Multiverse Saga" - Between the Kang Variants, MoM, and culminating in Secret Wars, it all makes sense now .

 

[Yojimbo]

Phew, told us when Phase 4 ends, Phase 5, Phase 6, and dates for Phase 7. So the only announced titles with no release date assigned yet is the X-Men/The Mutants and Shang-Chi sequel on the movie side, Armor Wars, Kingdom of Wakanda, and Wonder Man was just '2023' I think on the live action series, and Marvel Zombies is just '2024' so I guess Phase 5. The rest are still rumored titles.

Phase 4: 8 shows, 7 movies, 1 shorts, 2 specials
Phase 5: 8 shows, 6 movies
Phase 6: 5 movies
Phase 7: 3 movies

Lot to process but the revised order now looks like this:
Phase Four

(WandaVision
Premiere: January 15, 2021)

(The Falcon and The Winter Soldier
Premiere: March 19, 2021)

(Loki Season 1
Premiere: June 9, 2021)

Black Widow
July 9, 2021
Home Entertainment Release: August 10, 2021 and September 14, 2021

(What If...? Season 1
Premiere: August 4, 2021)

Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
September 3, 2021
Home Entertainment Release: November 12, 2021 and November 30, 2021

Eternals
November 5, 2021
Home Entertainment Release: January 12, 2022 and February 15, 2022

(Hawkeye
Premiere: November 24, 2021)

Spider-Man: No Way Home
December 17, 2021
Home Entertainment Release: March 22, 2022 March 15, 2022 and April 12, 2022

(Moon Knight
Premiere: March 30, 2022)

Doctor Strange: In the Multiverse of Madness
May 6, 2022
Home Entertainment Release: June 22, 2022 and July 26, 2022

(Ms. Marvel
Premiere: June 8, 2022)

Thor: Love and Thunder
July 8, 2022

(She-Hulk: Attorney at Law
Premiere: August 17, 2022)

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Theatrical Release Date: November 11, 2022

Phase Five

Ant-Man & The Wasp: Quantumania
Theatrical Release Date: February 17, 2023

(What If...? Season 2
Premiere: Early 2023)

(Secret Invasion
Premiere: Spring 2023)

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
Theatrical Release Date: May 5, 2023

(Echo
Premiere: Summer 2023)

(Loki Season 2
Premiere: Summer 2023)

The Marvels
Theatrical Release Date: July 28, 2023

Blade
Theatrical Release Date: November 3, 2023

(Ironheart
Premiere: Fall 2023)

(Agatha: Coven of Chaos
Premiere: Winter 2023/2024)

(Daredevil: Born Again
Premiere: Spring 2024)

Captain America: New World Order
Theatrical Release Date: May 3, 2024

Thunderbolts
Theatrical Release Date: July 26, 2024

Phase Six

Fantastic Four
Theatrical Release Date: November 8, 2024

???
Theatrical Release Date: February 14, 2025

Avengers: The Kang Dynasty
Theatrical Release Date: May 2, 2025

???
Theatrical Release Date: July 25, 2025

Avengers: Secret Wars
Theatrical Release Date: November 7, 2025

Phase Seven

February 13, 2026, May 1, 2026, July 24, 2026, November 6, 2026

 

[AdrenalineRush1996]

No Incredible Hulk: World War movie? What gives?

Universal still has the film distribution rights of everyone's angry green man.

 

[the greenman]

From the "Infinity Saga" to the "Multiverse Saga" - Between the Kang Variants, MoM, and culminating in Secret Wars, it all makes sense now .

Does anyone know something on Johnathan Majors contract? Cause he looks kinda surprised & puzzled in all this announcement:


Where you get the two dates for Fantastic Four @Yojimbo? Know of the 2024 date, not the 2025.

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[Yojimbo]

Does anyone know something on Johnathan Majors contract? Cause he looks kinda surprised & puzzled in all this announcement:

Actors gonna act. Actors have to lie. Actors are the last to know. Plausible deniability. Take your pick, lol.

Where you get the two dates for Fantastic Four @Yojimbo? Know of the 2024 date, not the 2025.

You mean the Feb. 14 and July 25, 2025 dates in Phase 6 that don't have any titles attached yet? Comic Book reported them today.

 

[RoyalRubble]

Overall, there were some pretty cool news from Comic-Con. After the reports they won't make nay big announcements we ended up with updates for the next 2-3 years. Granted there were no real surprises in there like some completely new characters getting their own movie or show, the closest might be the new Avengers movies since it should be interesting seeing the new team roster by the time those premiere.

Kang as the big bad of MCU's next saga sounds pretty cool. Or at least it seems they're building him to be the next villain, and there will be some twists along the way. Either way, I am pretty happy with the announcements.

Also curious what else they'll announce at D23. I agree more Disney+ projects are likely, maybe even animated stuff but who knows.

 

[the greenman]

I know it wasn't an official announcement, but Feige said in an interview we will see Harry Styles Eros and Pip together in the near future. Just putting that out there.

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[Hulkwummy]

Universal still has the film distribution rights of everyone's angry green man.

Sounds like Marvel/Disney aren't even trying to get the distribution rights to the Hulk back.

 

[the greenman]

Sounds like Marvel/Disney aren't even trying to get the distribution rights to the Hulk back.

Yeah, very strange. They got Submariner back, which they never really used anyway. Then they reclaimed the "Defenders" characters back from Netflix fairly quickly after their 2-year hold.

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[Yojimbo]

Yeah, very strange. They got Submariner back, which they never really used anyway. Then they reclaimed the "Defenders" characters back from Netflix fairly quickly after their 2-year hold.

I doubt Namor's rights or the Netflix deal were as complicated and tied up as the Hulk's is hence the ease of those. We just have to keep waiting. If anything, Disney legal is tenacious and don't like rights floating around at other studios so they just need more time to figure something out.

 

[reflection01]

Note that the dates above don’t include any Spider-Man films. I assume Sony will get their act together, get Holland on board, and announce some dates.


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[AdrenalineRush1996]

Sounds like Marvel/Disney aren't even trying to get the distribution rights to the Hulk back.

See, I don't agree on that at all because I don't think Universal has any plans to do with the film distribution rights at all and we're getting a She-Hulk TV series on Disney+ next month after all, so it's possible that Marvel will find a way to regain them back from Universal eventually.

 

[the greenman]

Note that the dates above don’t include any Spider-Man films. I assume Sony will get their act together, get Holland on board, and announce some dates.
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Holland still has one more MCU (Disney distributed) film in his contract. I think the last thing discussed was getting another trilogy for Sony, which I believe he did sign after No Way Home. After this. . . unsure.

See, I don't agree on that at all because I don't think Universal has any plans to do with the film distribution rights at all and we're getting a She-Hulk TV series on Disney+ next month after all, so it's possible that Marvel will find a way to regain them back from Universal eventually.

I think the issue with Universal has and still involves the '78 Bixby/Ferrigno tv series. That is a major hurdle.

You are correct on that @AdrenalineRush1996, they pretty much considered the 2003 Hulk film in the vein of a lot of television big screen adaptations, especially from that decade, a one-off. When MARVEL came to them with the idea of Incredible Hulk, the same producers (Arad, Gale Hurd, and Feige), had to tie it in with the series (complete with a scene using Joe Harnell's 'Lonely Man') and stuff like Banner using the same gamma device from the show. I cannot say this was forced by Universal, but certainly wouldn't surprise me.

At this point Marvel seems to own the character rights & all ancillary characters from the comics. However nothing from the series, of course. No Mr. McGee. The interesting thing is, Disney essentially does have the rights to (and please anybody that knows better correct me, if I'm wrong) the 3 television films 'Incredible Hulk Returns', 'Trial of the Incredible Hulk', 'Death of the Incredible Hulk'. As they do currently own New World having recently bought FOX where the rights went. So I believe that those films COULD be on Disney+ if they wanted to.

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[Yojimbo]

Holland still has one more MCU (Disney distributed) film in his contract. I think the last thing discussed was getting another trilogy for Sony, which I believe he did sign after No Way Home. After this. . . unsure.

Yes, at one point it was said Holland still had 1 movie left on his contract, a non-solo-Spider-Man movie. But then during the NWH press junket, Holland repeatedly alluded to how NWH was the last movie on his current contract. Then there were reports that contradicted each other - that he did sign on to another trilogy, then another report said he only talked about what's next for Spider-Man with Rothman and co. and didn't sign anything yet because he wanted to take a break first.

I think the issue with Universal has and still involves the '78 Bixby/Ferrigno tv series. That is a major hurdle.

You are correct on that @AdrenalineRush1996, they pretty much considered the 2003 Hulk film in the vein of a lot of television big screen adaptations, especially from that decade, a one-off. When MARVEL came to them with the idea of Incredible Hulk, the same producers (Arad, Gale Hurd, and Feige), had to tie it in with the series (complete with a scene using Joe Harnell's 'Lonely Man') and stuff like Banner using the same gamma device from the show. I cannot say this was forced by Universal, but certainly wouldn't surprise me.

At this point Marvel seems to own the character rights & all ancillary characters from the comics. However nothing from the series, of course. No Mr. McGee. The interesting thing is, Disney essentially does have the rights to (and please anybody that knows better correct me, if I'm wrong) the 3 television films 'Incredible Hulk Returns', 'Trial of the Incredible Hulk', 'Death of the Incredible Hulk'. As they do currently own New World having recently bought FOX where the rights went. So I believe that those films COULD be on Disney+ if they wanted to.

Interesting theory. This whole time I thought it was Universal wanted to hold onto whatever Marvel attraction is at their theme parks so naturally they turn down an solo Hulk movie pitch so they can retain that profit stream. Hulk is one of their roller coasters. But over the years, Disney seemed to have found loopholes in the restrictions about which Marvel characters they can or can't use in their attractions. The whole problem seems to be Universal's remaining film distrbution rights don't expire like the other set of rights that reverted back to Marvel/Disney when Universal didn't make a sequel to the Ang Lee movie. Which is why they instead opted for Hulk's arc to be spread across other movies like Avengers movies and Thor: Ragnarok and about to continue in the She-Hulk series. The book "The Story of Marvel Studios" that released last year might have shed a bit more light on this ongoing debacle.

However, Universal has the right to choose how many theatres a Hulk solo movie would play in, when it would be released, and how to handle its marketing. So Marvel isn't gonna make a solo movie and pay a chunk of their profits to Universal. So I'm curious if a loophole would be a streaming movie or series on Disney+ and since that's not a theatrical release, Universal has no say? Idk, it feels like the only scenario of Disney getting full rights back is a new regime at Universal decides it would be better to sell the rights and Disney having to overpay. Unless the Disney lawyers can figure out a way to buy exclusive rights to Marvel characters at theme parks and force Universal to shutter theirs down then that would force them to sell the film distribution rights back.

 

[AdrenalineRush1996]

The whole problem seems to be Universal's remaining film distrbution rights don't expire like the other set of rights that reverted back to Marvel/Disney when Universal didn't make a sequel to the Ang Lee movie.

It should be worth knowing that The Incredible Hulk was originally going to be a direct sequel to said film before it was rewritten as the second MCU instalment.

 

[Frontier]

Kang as the big bad of MCU's next saga sounds pretty cool. Or at least it seems they're building him to be the next villain, and there will be some twists along the way. Either way, I am pretty happy with the announcements.

I think the big question is if they're going to use Kang in place of the Beyonder, like how they didn't have Adam Warlock involved at all in the Infinity Saga like he was in the comics.