2016 Presidential Election thread (Fall General Election phase)

[Red Arrow]

Does anyone know what the running mates will do once the elections are over? Will one of them become the minister of [insert something important]?

 

[Scirel]

I really wish the Trump campaign would make up its mind whether polls were reliable or not. They constantly tout poll numbers when they showed they would be up, especially in the primaries and after the RNC, and now when clinton is way ahead they're all "polls are bad and mean nothing!".

If they said that when they were ahead in the polls as well instead of tweeting poll numbers it would make more sense.

 

[Zanneck]

This is something to pay attention to, as it is not just a national issue, but a global one. One that especially will be an issue if Hillary is elected, IMHO...

https://wikileaks.org/tisa/#October 14, 2016 Publication

 

[GWOtaku]

The downward spiral continues.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...r-she-would-not-be-my-first-choice/?tid=sm_tw

Donald Trump suggested several times Friday that he would not have sexually harassed the women who have accused him of assault because of their physical attractiveness. The comments, which appeared to be made offhandedly, drew repeated laughs from the audience.

“Believe me, she would not be my first choice, that I can tell you,” Trump said during a campaign event here, referring to one alleged victim. “You don’t know. That would not be my first choice.”

Trump was in that instance referring to Jessica Leeds, who accused Trump of putting his hand up her skirt on an airplane decades ago. Her story, which was first recounted in the New York Times, is one of a half-dozen allegations that have been made in recent days.

He added later, in a singsong voice: “When you looked at that horrible woman last night, you said, ‘I don't think so.’ ”

And his supporters chant "we don't care".

Not in my name.

I had a lid on it for a long time, but this is really making me angry now. You folks have no idea. I might need to back off this again for awhile.

 

[MDawg]

But hey, he's better than Hillary still, right? She's all kinds of corrupt what with not groping anyone and being a woman. How can you trust a non-groper? Good Christian morals are on the line if groping isn't allowed! What kind of standards are we setting if girls don't know that being groped is acceptable behavior that God would approve of?

 

[defunctzombie]

How did I know that is what the "evidence" would be? -_-

Because he bragged about a picking up a child, I suppose. Or because his name is Donald Trump.

Edit: Trump just called himself a "victim" in regards to the assault allegations. This is infuriating. I hope he goes down in history as the most ludicrous individual to ever run for public office in any democratic nation.

 

[Kindness King]

Clinton Foundation is not corrupt. That's just more projection from the Trump camp over their own exposed and now illegal charity.

And yet...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...-breach/ar-AAiY4vE?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

 

[Kindness King]

Oh and there's also this:

http://fusion.net/story/357169/hillary-clinton-foundation-victims-colombia/amp/

 

[sun]

How did I know that is what the "evidence" would be? -_-

Because he bragged about a picking up a child, I suppose. Or because his name is Donald Trump.

Edit: Trump just called himself a "victim" in regards to the assault allegations. This is infuriating. I hope he goes down in history as the most ludicrous individual to ever run for public office in any democratic nation.

Trump is no victim...He chose to run, He bragged about doing these things, more than once (you would need to look at the Howard Stern radio shows...yes more than once) He stalked Hillary. He has used name calling as an important part of his campaign, Many of us know that he does not respect women and has proven it. He did not show everyone his taxes. (as always has been done) He has made many decisions that affected this campaign...He is no victim. He is responsible for saying what he says and does, as does Hillary..She isn't claiming that she is a victim... Is she? Trump is no victim and if anyone believes he is, then they are believing lies. If he did not want to face what happens when you run for President of the United States, then he should not have run in the first place. The media always tries to find as much on candidates as it can..all candidates. TRUMP IS NO VICTIM.

 

[stephane dumas]

Oh and there's also this:

http://fusion.net/story/357169/hillary-clinton-foundation-victims-colombia/amp/

And CNN really want to jump the shark (or even nuke the fridge) by telling to scare people to not trust Wikileaks because it's illegal. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/787749893649600512

 

[Scirel]

According to election models on fivethirtyeight, Hillary can lose Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Iowa, and Nevada, and still win the election. She would still need New Hampshire and Colorado. But her next "worst" state is Pennsylvania, which she is currently leading in double digits.

In other words, Trump would need basically every swing state to move into his column.

If Hillary wins NC early on election night, that'd probably call it, in other words.

 

[stephane dumas]

Julien Assange of Wikileaks got his internet cut off but others will drop the leaks from Wikileaks about Hillary, Podesta and co. or other leaks like James O'Keefe did.

 

[Zanneck]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

Just here to post something useful - something that explains (just a little) why people outside of more urbanized or in heavily suburban areas with lots of farmland would rather vote in someone like Trump...

Also, there's this comment:

The problem with rural areas is that pretty much the only major industry there is food production, and all of the food production for the entire country could be done by less half a million people (and I'm being generous there). The jobs are gone from rural areas and they're not coming back, because the US is a service economy now and you can't get service economy jobs in areas below a certain critical mass in population. It just doesn't make economic sense to have rural areas anymore-- unless you have guaranteed basic income and guaranteed health coverage, a "socialist" policy that the people in those areas don't support.

We're never seeing a 1940s-60s style boom in this country again. Even if manufacturing jobs came back, what used to take a factory of 10,000 men can now be done by 150 due to automation. A farm that required 500 farmhands can now be serviced by 100. This is a major structural problem with the economy and one that neither party seems to have an answer to. To sustain a nation like the United States, it used to take the labor of the entire United States. It no longer does. There just are not enough jobs for people. It doesn't matter if we are "losing on trade" (we aren't) or if can force air conditioner factories to open in the US. The person taking your job isn't Jose or Chan, it's XT-087B-4Y.

Rural people would happily work for much less than city wages, since they don't have to pay city rents or city prices. Why aren't major companies moving there? It's not lack of people willing to work. It's lack of jobs. Big cities provide jobs for hire receptionists, and administrative assistants, and PCAs, and all kinds of people who just can't do that kind of work in the rural areas because the jobs don't exist there.

It's heartbreaking and it is a major cultural loss for the United States, but it's not something one group of people is doing to another. Unless we can get past the idea that everyone must work an arbitrary amount in order to deserve the basic necessities of life, rural areas are going to continue to wither and die.

So much actual truth as to why people would vote for Trump and not Hillary, and it actually makes sense, even if I don't fully agree with them on everything.

 

[defunctzombie]

According to election models on fivethirtyeight, Hillary can lose Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Iowa, and Nevada, and still win the election. She would still need New Hampshire and Colorado. But her next "worst" state is Pennsylvania, which she is currently leading in double digits.

In other words, Trump would need basically every swing state to move into his column.

If Hillary wins NC early on election night, that'd probably call it, in other words.

PA's not going to Trump. The central area where I'm at is full of his supporters (aside from the small blip where PSU is), but it is low on voter districts. The two Ps on the east and west are not Trump friendly places.

 

[Red Arrow]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

Just here to post something useful - something that explains (just a little) why people outside of more urbanized or in heavily suburban areas with lots of farmland would rather vote in someone like Trump...

Also, there's this comment:


So much actual truth as to why people would vote for Trump and not Hillary, and it actually makes sense, even if I don't fully agree with them on everything.

If the people in those rural areas cared that much about unemployement, then Bernie Sanders would be their guy. I don't understand why people think Trump is going to solve this. He hasn't proposed any solutions at all AFAIK.

 

[wonderfly]

According to election models on fivethirtyeight, Hillary can lose Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Iowa, and Nevada, and still win the election. She would still need New Hampshire and Colorado. But her next "worst" state is Pennsylvania, which she is currently leading in double digits.

In other words, Trump would need basically every swing state to move into his column.

If Hillary wins NC early on election night, that'd probably call it, in other words.

The more I look it over, I'm not so sure I agree with the first part of the statement ("Hillary can lose Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Iowa, and Nevada, and still win the election"). Looking at the electoral map, if Trump does win all 5, I think he'd be set to win. He'd have to lose some other place that's unexpected. Certainly, if Trump loses a traditional red state like Utah or Georgia, he's toast, but I'm not convinced yet that's going to happen.

Right now, I expect Trump to win the west (Nevada, Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico). I expect Hillary to win Colorado. I also expect her to win Wisconsin and New Hampshire.

If Trump wins in Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Iowa, and Georgia, he wins the election.

Yes, Trump's polling has severely gotten worse in the last couple weeks, especially in swing states, but I'm banking on a portion of those taking the polls just expressing dissatisfaction with Trump. I theorize that at the end of the day, a good percentage of those still end up voting for Trump. It's 3 weeks till election day - though people are unhappy with the current scandals (on both sides) I think you're not going to change too many minds at this point, on who they're going to vote for.

 

[Kitschensyngk]

This election is actually scaring the crap out of our children.

 

[Zanneck]

This election is actually scaring the crap out of our children.

Like it should be... It most definitely should be. Into doing something about it - like we adults should have, for their sake, by now!

 

[MDawg]

Yes, Trump's polling has severely gotten worse in the last couple weeks, especially in swing states, but I'm banking on a portion of those taking the polls just expressing dissatisfaction with Trump. I theorize that at the end of the day, a good percentage of those still end up voting for Trump. It's 3 weeks till election day - though people are unhappy with the current scandals (on both sides) I think you're not going to change too many minds at this point, on who they're going to vote for.

So will you be Karl Rove-ing it on Election Night, pleading that there is still a path to victory on Fox News when it's clear it isn't gonna happen?

 

[Scirel]

PA's not going to Trump. The central area where I'm at is full of his supporters (aside from the small blip where PSU is), but it is low on voter districts. The two Ps on the east and west are not Trump friendly places.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/pennsylvania/

Look at all the latest polls. At the state level it's a popular vote, not electoral votes per county. The two P's have more people, apparently.

As for swing, I`d expect AZ, NV, IA, and OH to be places where he has a genunie chance. FL and NC I'd expect to lean more to Clinton basing this on demographics.

Edit:

Compare PA's stats to a place like OH : http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ohio/

You can see that the polls there fluctuate a lot more. It's a true swing state. He has a genuine chance there. I don``t know how much hinges on the the third debate, as I've heard the first few have more impact.