Are the newer nicktoons really that bad?

[Mikurotoro92]

What's destroying the network are it's sitcoms.

That & constantly over-relying on SBSP & FOP!

 

[90'sKid]

How is it ANY worse than Ren & Stimpy or Rocko's Modern Life?

It's just as bad as Ren And Stimpy! (I loathe that show!)

And RML's animation didn't make me sick, ok? PGBC's animation does. As I said before.

 

[SaneMan]

Not sure how can someone hate a classic, but fine
I guess

 

[Deebee]

I don't like Ren & Stimpy that much either. Credit where credit is due, it had funny and creative humor, and really pushed the envelope. I can see why it's held in high regard. I've just never liked gross-out humor, which Ren & Stimpy has a lot of. Wouldn't go as far as saying I hate it, though.

 

[Freav]

Not sure how can someone hate a classic, but fine
I guess

A show isn't immune of criticism just because it's a "classic". I like R&S just fine myself, but I'm just saying.

 

[validating]

I think that if R&S came out today, it would be hated by most of the internet because of it's gross-out humor and animation style. Which is probably why I liked PGBC so much. It really felt like it was trying to recapture what R&S had and while it wasn't perfect I thought it did a nice effort.

 

[InvaderWeezle]

I think that if R&S came out today, it would be hated by most of the internet because of it's gross-out humor and animation style. Which is probably why I liked PGBC so much. It really felt like it was trying to recapture what R&S had and while it wasn't perfect I thought it did a nice effort.

I think an important difference between Ren & Stimpy and other gross-out cartoons is that R&S used gross-out to enhance the comedy. Most other similar shows use gross-out as the comedy.

 

[90'sKid]

Not sure how can someone hate a classic, but fine
I guess

Being a classic doesn't mean that a show has to be universally loved, I am not a fan of gross-out humor which R&S used commonly. I hate SBSP as well, always have. This is just my opinion.

 

[MrIcyTea]

I feel like the new nicktoons aren't truly bad, but they just don't appeal to the audience at first, and it's probably the lack of trust with Nickelodeon as a network because you know they will go away in 2-3 years or less from being burned off on their secondary channel or canned. The fact that their advertisement about them is always the same wacky random humor and doesn't help even when these shows have really great designs and characters.

I can see why people really enjoy Harvey Beaks and PGBC, but there's this underlying truth that these shows are clearly not "Spongebob-Tier" so they'll get killed off before they can mature into a much better show once they get a hold of their characters and flush them out just like how other cartoons in the past did.

Nickelodeon just don't give too much care to these newer nicktoons and even the ones from the last decade from the mid to late 2000s. They just forgot what nicktoons were really about and the good ones were when those cartoons started after a few years when they got much better with characters and writing and jokes.

tl;dr - Spongebob itself regardless of it improving or doing worse in your perspective, is currently causing the fatigue on Nickelodeon's newer Nicktoons, because if they can't shine like Spongebob's Seasons 1-3 episodes in Season 1 they are doomed.

 

[Mikurotoro92]

Spongebob itself regardless of it improving or doing worse in your perspective, is currently causing the fatigue on Nickelodeon's newer Nicktoons, because if they can't shine like Spongebob's Seasons 1-3 episodes in Season 1 they are doomed.

Yes SBSP is a big problem but unfortunately we won't be seeing ANY changes until either the show is abolished OR de-emphasised & significantly reduced in episode airings!

 

[throwbackman]

You know what? I know the argument died a while back, but after some thought I've decided that I'm going to give Pig Goat Banana Cricket my official personal rating of "You Tried".

I always admire somebody trying to be unique even in the smallest way, but even that can backfire horribly as seen in PGBC.

 

[throwbackman]

Being a classic doesn't mean that a show has to be universally loved, I am not a fan of gross-out humor which R&S used commonly. I hate SBSP as well, always have. This is just my opinion.

It's just as bad as Ren And Stimpy! (I loathe that show!)

And RML's animation didn't make me sick, ok? PGBC's animation does. As I said before.

Being a classic doesn't mean that a show has to be universally loved, I am not a fan of gross-out humor which R&S used commonly. I hate SBSP as well, always have. This is just my opinion.

I think that if R&S came out today, it would be hated by most of the internet because of it's gross-out humor and animation style. Which is probably why I liked PGBC so much. It really felt like it was trying to recapture what R&S had and while it wasn't perfect I thought it did a nice effort.

Yeah, Ren and Stimpy is one of those shows where either you love it or hate it.

Also, Ren and Stimpy would NOT work today at all. It was a good show, and one of the most revolutionary too, and airing reruns is okay since most people know that this was a 90's show, but if it came out today, I'd bet you every last one of you all the money I have that people would hate it and say that it's "just another awful Nickelodeon show". Ren and Stimpy was really a product of it's time. Going into the show, John K had the dream of being back "cartoony-cartoons". While he did suceed with flying colors, he also started a gross-out trend with most of the bad shows that premiered that decade. There are many reasons to like or hate the show, but in my personal opinion, if you like it, that's great, and if you don't, I respect that and can see why, however I will ask you to at least give credit where it's due.

Also, the original creator of the show was fired around the middle of Season 2 (Starting with Monkey See, Monkey Don't I assume) and the show was picked up by Bob Camp and Games Animation, in case none of you are aware. While they didn't mess up the show too badly, it did go through seasonal rot, but in my opinion, the lightest example of seasonal rot possible.

 

[90'sKid]

Yeah, Ren and Stimpy is one of those shows where either you love it or hate it.

Also, Ren and Stimpy would NOT work today at all. It was a good show, and one of the most revolutionary too, and airing reruns is okay since most people know that this was a 90's show, but if it came out today, I'd bet you every last one of you all the money I have that people would hate it and say that it's "just another awful Nickelodeon show". Ren and Stimpy was really a product of it's time. Going into the show, John K had the dream of being back "cartoony-cartoons". While he did suceed with flying colors, he also started a gross-out trend with most of the bad shows that premiered that decade. There are many reasons to like or hate the show, but in my personal opinion, if you like it, that's great, and if you don't, I respect that and can see why, however I will ask you to at least give credit where it's due.

Also, the original creator of the show was fired around the middle of Season 2 (Starting with Monkey See, Monkey Don't I assume) and the show was picked up by Bob Camp and Games Animation, in case none of you are aware. While they didn't mess up the show too badly, it did go through seasonal rot, but in my opinion, the lightest example of seasonal rot possible.

I give it credit for what it set out to do, it's just a shame it inadvertently started the gross-out show trend of the 90's.

 

[Mr. Daniel]

That & constantly over-relying on SBSP & FOP!

You have brought SBSP and FOP into any Nick discussion. Do you realize that?

 

[Golden Geek]

I think SpongeBob has improved lately. The Loud House and Harvey Beaks are great. If Nickelodeon continues like this, then I'd say the new Nicktoons are doing fine.

(Though Pinky Malinky doesn't sound like it'll be my cup of tea...)

 

[HB-seventy]

In my opinion on Nicktoons:
The state of the brand has improved a bit in this decade so far.

-Harvey Beaks is a really good show. It's not as fast-paced or wacky as the others, but it shines this way. And the jokes don't hit you quickly, but they're still funny and land well. I really like it.

-Pig Goat Banana Cricket is very subjective (as shown on this thread), but in my opinion is in the middle (I kinda like it). The animation is a mixed bag for me; as some said earlier, it's kinda gross-and I agree. When I first watched, I almost hit a gag reflex. But as I keep watching, it gets less gross and more...pleasing.
The humor is obvious, but in my case it's not that irritating or gross. I actually chuckled a few times, and besides Pig, this show isn't all that annoying or terrible.

-The Loud House is completely different from the other Nicktoons these days.
For starters, no animals, arachnids or aquatic wildlife for main characters. And it's a more homely, down-to-Earth and sweet in tone. The characters and situations are totally relatable (more so if you're in a family with many kids) and the jokes reflecting on such are hilarious. Sure poop and toilet jokes are there, but they're not as tasteless. Whoever said it's boring really has different tastes. I highly recommend this one. It's rhe best of the bunch here.

As for the veterans:
-SpongeBob is actually good again. (Yes, I wrote that) Thank God it's creator Stephen Hillenberg returned, because his oversight has given a more noticeable shift towards tolerance and actually funny scenes. Season 9 has actually improved from the last few seasons. I'd suggest one episode. If you still don't like it, fine.

-Fairly OddParents has grasped for straws and it's now grasping for air. It's dying a painful death and Nick is causing it's pain by keeping it on for so long. LET. IT. GO. JUST put it out of its misery.

-I don't like Breadwinners or Sanjay and Craig very much. Both of their humor is a MAJOR turn-off. I actually wanted to watch/enjoy them, but watching online reviews on YT turned me away from them (for the better good).

All-in-all, the state of Nicktoons has done better these past few years. I don't watch the network itself and just go to other sites (like KissCartoon) and sure some bad shows get big ratings so they have their fans so that's public opinion, but the content has largely improved.
I like Harvey, PGBC, Loud House and Season 9 SB.
And hate Breadwinners, S&J and FOP.
So yeah, I'm proud to go back to the Nicktoons again.

 

[Mikurotoro92]

You have brought SBSP and FOP into any Nick discussion. Do you realize that?

Because they used to be my fav cartoons as a kid that's why

 

[ZanyLogic5]

-The Loud House is completely different from the other Nicktoons these days.
For starters, no animals, arachnids or aquatic wildlife for main characters. And it's a more homely, down-to-Earth and sweet in tone. The characters and situations are totally relatable (more so if you're in a family with many kids) and the jokes reflecting on such are hilarious. Sure poop and toilet jokes are there, but they're not as tasteless. Whoever said it's boring really has different tastes. I highly recommend this one. It's rhe best of the bunch here.

You'll be surprised that, back when the show was in early development, the original concept was that Lincoln and his family were supposed to be a family of rabbits and he would of had 25 sisters instead of 10. Lincoln's rabbit design, however, can be seen as a stuffed animal on his bed. Better wish your lucky butt it wasn't that.

 

[Zanneck]

You'll be surprised that, back when the show was in early development, the original concept was that Lincoln and his family were supposed to be a family of rabbits and he would of had 25 sisters instead of 10. Lincoln's rabbit design, however, can be seen as a stuffed animal on his bed.

That's... Horrible. There's no way you'd be able to make a good show out of that, without making some serious sacrifices to quality in a lot of places. Yeah - I am thankful for what we have with TLH as is!

 

[SaneMan]

There is no way they could ever properly develop that many characters