Alright, that makes sense. All the same, though, I swear I remember a scene where Batman is bummed, and Alfred says something about how finally seeing Rupert Thorne arrested ought to have lifted his spirits. It sounded pretty definitive at the time. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
Personally, I consider the 17 issue run of Batman Adventures canon, because it's SO good. It's a pefect segue from Justice League to Batman Beyond in a lot of ways. It also provided closure for Clayface, Poison Ivy -- even Joe Chill!!
Also: Bruce Timm drew a few of the covers, so he WAS involved...?
I swear I remember a scene where Batman is bummed, and Alfred says something about how finally seeing Rupert Thorne arrested ought to have lifted his spirits. It sounded pretty definitive at the time. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
The same thing I said in my first post -- that it sounded like that episode was meant to be the definitive end of Thorne, until the writers decided they wanted him back again. I felt it merited mention.
I clearly remember Rupert showing up in an issue of the final volume of Batman Adventures, which takes place after Mystery of the Batwoman. I remember being a little surprised to see him there, too.
If I get a chance to dig out my comics, I'll find out which issue. I really need to read those again; they maintained the cartoons' greatness and pushed the characters forward!
I was thinking about the B:TAS villains lately, and I realized a lot of them did get closure in the end, either through Batman Beyond or Justice League.
- Joker: Killed in flashback, dies again in Return of the Joker.
- Harley: Is seen as an old grandma at end of the movie
- Ras Al Gul: Dies in Batman Beyond.
- Talya: Dies by giving her body to her father
- Mr. Freeze: Dies in Batman Beyond
- Bane: Nearly comatose from venom overdoes in BB
- Clayface: Defeated in JL Season 2 by blowing up with fireworks
- Penguin: More or less retires as a shady nightclub owner
- Manbat: The formula was destroyed
- TwoFace: Goes completely insane when the Judge takes over
- Mr. Scarface: The guy is cured from his alternate personality
The only characters that really didn't get closure, but probably retired due to being too old, are Catwoman, Riddler, Mad Hatter, and Rupert Thorn.
Likewise Killer Croc had no real ending, but it doesn't really matter.
All I can say is hats off to Bruce Timm for not only handling Batman's rogues well but also giving most of them closure in some form so we weren't left hanging.
Uh, two-face was shown completely sane in the comic "Batman Adventures", which takes place in the DC animated timeline, some years after the New Batman Adventures...then again, we even have issues saying that the comics are not canon.
The real Ivy was never seen after BTAS "House and Garden." The Ivy seen in TNBA and Static Shock was a plant person clone (left behind so Harley wouldn't get lonely), one that gradually became less human and more plant-like as she deteriorated. Riddler was later killed.
Though Batman Adventures also caused continuity problems, like showing the Ventriloquist in Arkham with the Scarface dummy, during season 2 of Justice League (thus undoing his reform in TNBA). Unless, you assume that the TNBA episode happened during JL.
It's all very confusing, if you analyze it too hard.
Actually, the REAL Ivy had gone off to live in a swamp with a guy named Alec Holland after the clone vanished. Scarface DID reform, the JL one was from another dimension. As for the Riddler, he didn't die; the doctor DID say that he'd live, so basically we don't know what happened after. And what happened to Harley and her Joker relationship after the wedding? We'll never know.
To bad Hugo Strange didn't get a closure. His arrest in The Strange Secret of Bruce Wayne could've worked, had it not been for his return in Justice League
Loved BTAS...Except for that last season. It just felt...Off. Like they were going too much into the deep end with Batman being more amorral in a way especially in his interactions with the Bat-family. I also don't like how they went about making Nightwin into a sort of Batman-lite and basically having a rebranded Jason Todd. Just use the name Jason Todd instead of converting Tim Drake into him, which brings up that in spite of being the second most popular Robin of all time(dick being #1)...He's never been animated.
I also don't like how they went about making Nightwin into a sort of Batman-lite and basically having a rebranded Jason Todd. Just use the name Jason Todd instead of converting Tim Drake into him, which brings up that in spite of being the second most popular Robin of all time(dick being #1)...He's never been animated.
My bad on the phrasing. I meant Tim Drake. By most every metric, he was second only to Dick Grayson himself in terms of popularity among Batman's Robin sidekicks and had one of the best runs as the character both in Batman, his own series, and Teen Titans. As far as Robin is concerened, DC/WB Animation seems to only remember Dick and Jason and tries to force Damian too much which has led to mixed results in popularity.
Well, the Timmverse did combine aspects of both Jason and Tim into a single character, but we still knew him as Tim Drake (even if he was a bit different from the original). Jason got even more short-changed at the time, only getting his proper due with the Under the Red Hood movie.
Well, the Timmverse did combine aspects of both Jason and Tim into a single character, but we still knew him as Tim Drake (even if he was a bit different from the original). Jason got even more short-changed at the time, only getting his proper due with the Under the Red Hood movie.
Too much of the character was Jason Todd in that regard. It really was a lot more JT than TD especially the origin which colored a lot of the character development and their approaches to crime fighting.
Keep in mind this topic is more about the fate of the Batman: TAS villains. Red Hood might qualify, but he never showed up in the DCAU.
Under the Red Hood gives us a good showcase for Jason, and Tim has been handled pretty well on Young Justice, but again, those are different continuities.
Okay hear me out, Isn't it kind of crazy how CN never thought about doing a Kids Next Door x Teen Titans OG crossover back in the 2000s? There's five members of Sector V, five titans, and they both have super cool HQs. I'm telling you guys, a TT and KND crossover would've been so epic!
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