C&C - My Hero Academia - "Let It Flow! School Festival!" [5/16]

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Opening Theme: "Star Marker" by Kana-Boon
Ending Theme: "Shout Baby" by Ryokuōshoku Shakai

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Previously on My Hero Academia: It's 9:00 AM, and Present Mic announces the start of the U.A. School Festival. As Hound Dog catches a scent somewhere in the forest, Deku faces off against a Love-powered Gentle Criminal to determine who will be able to make their dreams come true!

Tonight: Izuku rushes back to the school festival after his encounter with Gentleman and La Brava, but will he make it in time for his performance?
 
Last time: I've have done a "hero school dropout" parody this this thread, but I don't care much for Grease...or musicals in general, for that matter.

And yet I assume this is the episode when 1-A does their song and dance show , if they took two weeks to dub it from home.

Technically, he hasn't done anything. You could just escort him from school grounds.
 
Previously on MHA: Sorry Gentle. You've just met your Zenigata. A...much more effective Zenigata.

This big dog/wolf guy is the kind of hero that Bakugo's going to grow up to be.
 
Greater love hath no villain for his henchman.

Don't be like me, kid.

You had one job, Deku. ONE JOB.
 
Stupid Toonzone always dying when we're trying to have our talkbacks. Oh well, here are the rest of my comments:

“They’re here to criticize. They’re hoping that Class A fails.”

Just like Ghostbusters 2016

What’s the opposite of a bottle episode? Because that’s what this episode is.

It’s the unholy offspring of Elvis Presley and Jay Leno.

Shakespeare existed in the MHA universe? Did he have a quirk?

He ain’t nothin’ but a hound dog. Yellin’ all the time.

That girl has venus flytraps for eyes.

Thank god Negire won

Interrogation by Detective Kong

“Don’t make me throw my poo at you!”
 
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We haven't had a crowd this big since the robot club showed that anime the film club made.

All right, let's do this, then.

"OUR SOUND IS GONNA KILL YOU!"
Not literally, I hope.

We have a smile! We can confirm a smile!

I don’t remember Romeo and Juliet having hobbits in it.

ENJOY THE FESTIVAL OR I’LL KILL YOU!!

The critics are reluctantly raving.

Yeah, Mineta’s a perv. It’s funny. Got it.

Beauty pageants objectify women.

“Tonight’s gonna be so great!”
I don’t wanna hear about what Mineta does at night!

Got one more smile in you?

There we go.

Great. A major episode and the forums go down.

La Brava is truly La Brainwashed.

Society made me do it!

What, too good for Lipton black tea?
 
Oof, of course the forum goes down during Toonami.

So, that was the end of the School Festival arc. Back when I was reading the manga, I thought this was where the fourth season would end, but there's actually still two more episodes which'll cover the majority of the next arc (not all of it, but most of the main beats).

We'll see if the next episode airs next Saturday, though the lack of word from Funimation about episode 87 makes me think it'll be another rerun next week.
 
It was worth the wait for this episode just to see Eri enjoyed herself and got to be a kid for once after all the horrible things that happened to her. It was also nice to see that Class 1-A's concert swayed some hearts and minds.
 
That smile was so incredibly cute and heartwarming. It should be a crime that she honestly doesn't know how to smile until then. This, plus Jiro conversation with her parents and Gentle getting a second chance makes this episode one of my favorites.
 
This is probably the closest Toonami will ever get to airing an idol anime. This episode would probably inspire a lot of real life idol performances at cons if not for coronavirus shutdowns. Still shocked Anime Matsuri, Anime Fest, and Anime Midwest are still set to happen.
 
When I first saw this song on youtube I assumed it was Jiro's Japanese VA singing in English phonetically, because it was a clip from the Japanese episode, and honestly that's what it sounded like to me (someone whose first langue was not English singing English lyrics). So I was kind of expecting Trina Nishimura to do the performance when we finally got the dub episode. I was disappointed that wasn't the case, but then through googling I realized they actually got an American singer to record the song for the Japanese episode for some reason. I guess it makes sense for Funimation to keep this version in the dub as well since it's a "guest voice" situation that's already in English, not to mention with covid it's probably quite a bit more challenging to do a musical recording without the benefit of a real studio's tools/feedback than it is to just do basic dialogue recording (and I don't have any idea how Trina's singing voice is in general).

I was trying to think back to instances of characters in anime doing a major singing performance in-story, and how often the song itself gets dubbed (at least for shows where singing isn't the main focus like idol animes). The only really memorable thing I remember was Caitlin Glass' amazing rendition of that Casshern Sins song. I also remember some old Ranma OVA had the whole female cast doing a song, and the dub cast performed it, but I don't remember it being that special. I'm sure there's others I'm forgetting, but I feel like it's something dubbers tend to skip and just let the Japanese version play, since it's often challenging I'm sure to come up with an English rendition that's both meaningful lyrically and fits the lip movements.

I generally don't like it when a character's singing voice is different from the dialogue voice, though it's easier to deal with in things like Disney musicals where the songs are essentially a non-diegetic element. But it's different for something like this, where the song itself and her performance are in-story elements. As a viewer it takes me out of the story when the character's voice suddenly sounds dramatically different during what's usually an important moment that's been built up to (which was definitely the case here). And especially when music/singing is already a major part of an established character, you're introducing a not insignificant amount of diegetic dissonance that's hard to ignore. When they intercut between the song and Jiro having an emotional moment with her parents, it's supposed to show how the performance helps Jiro to reconcile her conflict between her love of music and being a hero, and her fear of disappointing her parents. But the effect is partially lost when she sounds like a different person during her big moment. Especially when you have a talented, well-established VA who has made the role their own.
 
I was trying to think back to instances of characters in anime doing a major singing performance in-story, and how often the song itself gets dubbed (at least for shows where singing isn't the main focus like idol animes).

Recent example, Dr. Stone's song was dubbed. Funimation recently tends to dub songs. Viz/Aniplex probably not so much.
 
Recent example, Dr. Stone's song was dubbed. Funimation recently tends to dub songs. Viz/Aniplex probably not so much.
Actually, that song in Dr. Stone was in English in the Japanese version as well, since the character was a pop singer from the US.
 
When I first saw this song on youtube I assumed it was Jiro's Japanese VA singing in English phonetically, because it was a clip from the Japanese episode, and honestly that's what it sounded like to me (someone whose first langue was not English singing English lyrics). So I was kind of expecting Trina Nishimura to do the performance when we finally got the dub episode. I was disappointed that wasn't the case, but then through googling I realized they actually got an American singer to record the song for the Japanese episode for some reason. I guess it makes sense for Funimation to keep this version in the dub as well since it's a "guest voice" situation that's already in English, not to mention with covid it's probably quite a bit more challenging to do a musical recording without the benefit of a real studio's tools/feedback than it is to just do basic dialogue recording (and I don't have any idea how Trina's singing voice is in general).

I was trying to think back to instances of characters in anime doing a major singing performance in-story, and how often the song itself gets dubbed (at least for shows where singing isn't the main focus like idol animes). The only really memorable thing I remember was Caitlin Glass' amazing rendition of that Casshern Sins song. I also remember some old Ranma OVA had the whole female cast doing a song, and the dub cast performed it, but I don't remember it being that special. I'm sure there's others I'm forgetting, but I feel like it's something dubbers tend to skip and just let the Japanese version play, since it's often challenging I'm sure to come up with an English rendition that's both meaningful lyrically and fits the lip movements.

I generally don't like it when a character's singing voice is different from the dialogue voice, though it's easier to deal with in things like Disney musicals where the songs are essentially a non-diegetic element. But it's different for something like this, where the song itself and her performance are in-story elements. As a viewer it takes me out of the story when the character's voice suddenly sounds dramatically different during what's usually an important moment that's been built up to (which was definitely the case here). And especially when music/singing is already a major part of an established character, you're introducing a not insignificant amount of diegetic dissonance that's hard to ignore. When they intercut between the song and Jiro having an emotional moment with her parents, it's supposed to show how the performance helps Jiro to reconcile her conflict between her love of music and being a hero, and her fear of disappointing her parents. But the effect is partially lost when she sounds like a different person during her big moment. Especially when you have a talented, well-established VA who has made the role their own.

Wendee Lee also sang a translation of 'God Knows' for the dub of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. It suffered from clunky lyrics, but Lee was quite talented in the role.
 
Recent example, Dr. Stone's song was dubbed. Funimation recently tends to dub songs. Viz/Aniplex probably not so much.
Actually, that song in Dr. Stone was in English in the Japanese version as well, since the character was a pop singer from the US.

I forgot about that one. So did they use the same song recording in dub as the Japanese version, or did they have the character's English VA (can't remember who it was) re-record it?

Wendee Lee also sang a translation of 'God Knows' for the dub of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. It suffered from clunky lyrics, but Lee was quite talented in the role.

She's definitely someone with the vocal chops to pull it off. But that's always the challenge, trying to come up with English lyrics that don't sound like they were written by someone who doesn't speak English natively, while keeping the spirit of the original, and then fitting the lip movements on top of that. It's easier to do when you don't have to worry about the last part, which is why I think some of Funimation's dubbed intro/outro songs are really great (like Vic Mignogna's and Brina Palencia's One Piece songs).
 
I forgot about that one. So did they use the same song recording in dub as the Japanese version, or did they have the character's English VA (can't remember who it was) re-record it?

Same recording as the Japanese version.
 
Actually, that song in Dr. Stone was in English in the Japanese version as well, since the character was a pop singer from the US.

Wow. Shocked to hear that as it was in perfect English. I just researched the song and it was sung by some British person who's famous in the musical theater circuit named Laura Pitt-Pulford. Don't know how Japan got a hold of her.

Anyway, Pop Team Epic is an example I'm more sure of was dubbed into English (that Earth, Wind, and Fire parody bit).


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I thought that this episode was really great. It was really sweet how Gentle was so set on protecting Labrava and even though she was crying the whole time, she didn't argue with him. Midoriya was able to pick up a bit on what Gentle was doing, so he was able to tone down what happened as best as he could. He couldn't erase the obvious evidence that they had fought, but he tried to make it sound less serious at least. It was nice how Gentle wished Midoriya a bright future. Despite the different paths they took, they both could understand each other and that meant a lot to Gentle.

Midoriya also realized afterwards why he struggled in that fight. He understood that if things had gone differently for himself, he could have turned out like Gentle. Granted, it is hard to imagine Midoriya becoming a villain, even a pretty low-key villain like Gentle, but if he didn't have the opportunity to become All Might's successor and had all of the emotional support, he would have given up on his dreams. That same desire to protect people could have easily festered and mutated into something more sinister over time. That was the first time where he could see himself in a villain, which is something Midoriya really hadn't had to deal with considering all of the other major villains in this series have been monsters.

Of course, Midoriya got there right in time for the performance. The song Hero Too was so amazing. I honestly couldn't tell the difference between Jiro's regular voice and singing voice. I thought that it was done by the same voice actress, especially when a lot of voice actors at Funimation have done some songs for various other dubs. If it was a different person, I think that they got a pretty good sound-alike. It was pretty neat to see some of the characters dancing, especially Iida.

The song itself was so fitting for both Class 1-A and specifically for Jiro. It really captured her feelings on how she struggled between choosing to be a hero or a musician. Her conflict was understandable when she learned so much from her parents and there have been moments throughout the arc where her passion for music has really shined through. Thinking that she'd have to give that up and disappoint her parents is a pretty relatable problem, especially for teenagers. But she doesn't really have to make that choice. Not only because of how supportive her parents were, but she can use her music to help people. Jiro could even choose to do some music on the side with her hero work, although that would be pretty difficult given what we've seen of pro hero work. Still, I think that is a possibility and this song pretty much captures that sense of hope and passion. It's a really great moment for Jiro.

That imagery of Eri's smile breaking through Overhaul was just beautiful. She had such a pure joyful smile that it made me cry. Togeta thinking of Midoriya and Nighteye being able to see Eri finally smile was so sweet too. While I've enjoyed a lot of this arc, the performance and the song were just so terrific. They're easily another highlight of the season in my book.

All Might being upset at Midoriya was understandable. He was so worried about where Midoriya was that he kept calling his phone. Forgetting his phone was a pretty easy explanation as to why Midoriya couldn't call for backup, but he was also worried about the School Festival being cancelled, which is also understandable. I wish that we could have seen All Might trying to reach Midoriya. I've missed Dad Might. I also liked how Hound Dog pointed out that the teachers want to protect UA as much as Midoriya does. I don't think that he was wrong to take on Gentle by himself or that he did it because he didn't have faith in the other teachers. He had no way to contact other heroes and waiting too long could have resulted in the School Festival being cancelled, so he was kind of in a tight spot. But that anger was still justified because of how much time and energy the pro heroes have put in to help protect the school. Hound Dog was clearly upset when he could pick up the scent of a UA student on Gentle and was most likely worried about another potential kidnapping or worse. The Training Camp attack and Bakugo's kidnapping are still pretty recent events in-universe, so all of the pro heroes around the school would be on edge about any possible threats too.

It was really sweet how Midoriya reacted to Eri's smile too. He so desperately wanted to reach her and see her smile. I like how even the students who came to mock at Class 1-A were impressed by their performance and wanted to tell other students about it. It was nice to see highlights of what everyone was doing during the rest of the School Festival too. It was just a nice way for the cast to relax and have fun together. Nejire winning the Beauty Pageant was pretty nice. Midoriya giving Eri a homemade candy apple was quite cute too.

I really liked that we got to see more of Gentle. I thought that he would be taken away for good, but it sounded like he has a second chance. We don't really hear much about any reformed villains in this series, but most of the villains we've seen are pretty intense and well passed the point to turn back. Gentle is still a criminal, but he hasn't really done anything as major or as brutal compared to villains like Shigaraki or Overhaul, so the prospect of giving him a second chance after he chose to turn himself in is believable. But it's also touching in that he is able to find a bright future for himself too. I don't know if he could find a different way to fulfill his dream, but at least has the opportunity to do so, if not find another dream to strive for instead. It was just such a nice and hopeful tone to end the arc on. Overall, it was a really good episode.
 

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