Pokemon Thread

There's no Pokemon anime thread here so might as well start one. Ash's long 26 year tenure as the main character of Pokemon recently ended from 1997-2023 with over 1,200+ episodes and 23 movies. Pokemon Horizons is the first all new cast since the series inception.

To get the ball rolling, how do you feel about the series or any sagas you watched and Ash's companions?
 
I've enjoyed the anime ever since the original series. It's always been one of my comfort shows to just watch Ash, Pikachu and his friends travel across different regions. Seeing how they adapt the newest games and what Pokemon Ash was going to get were always fun. DP is my favorite series since it had some of the best battles, Ash's team was pretty solid and Dawn was such a great female lead. Journeys was always a bit of a mixed bag for me, but being Ash's sendoff series soured it a bit too much for me, even with his World Champion title in mind. I haven't watched Horizons yet, so I can't judge it, but I'm still not sure if replacing Ash after all these years was really worthwhile in the long run. It still might be a bit too early to say either.

Dawn is easily my favorite traveling companion. She had a great storyline, solid development and great chemistry with Ash and Brock. Iris was my least favorite companion. She was just written so poorly in BW where she was treated so extra special despite never doing anything to actually earn that kind of attention. Journeys making her into a Champion didn't help matters either.
 
I've enjoyed the anime ever since the original series. It's always been one of my comfort shows to just watch Ash, Pikachu and his friends travel across different regions. Seeing how they adapt the newest games and what Pokemon Ash was going to get were always fun. DP is my favorite series since it had some of the best battles, Ash's team was pretty solid and Dawn was such a great female lead. Journeys was always a bit of a mixed bag for me, but being Ash's sendoff series soured it a bit too much for me, even with his World Champion title in mind. I haven't watched Horizons yet, so I can't judge it, but I'm still not sure if replacing Ash after all these years was really worthwhile in the long run. It still might be a bit too early to say either.

Dawn is easily my favorite traveling companion. She had a great storyline, solid development and great chemistry with Ash and Brock. Iris was my least favorite companion. She was just written so poorly in BW where she was treated so extra special despite never doing anything to actually earn that kind of attention. Journeys making her into a Champion didn't help matters either.
I think it was a success... In Japan, because Horizons scored into the Top 10 very consistently after it premiered. Not that Japan hates Ash, his final episodes marked a return to the Top 10, which means A LOT of people watched it. As much as I love Ash, I can say goodbye. I am glad he did come through in the end and became the champion, but the writers smartly didnt have him stop travelling, his journey will never be over. I dont think anyone who didnt want the Ash series to end is wrong either, If Doraemon and Nobita can be the mains for 50 years why cant Ash0
 
I think it was a success... In Japan, because Horizons scored into the Top 10 very consistently after it premiered. Not that Japan hates Ash, his final episodes marked a return to the Top 10, which means A LOT of people watched it. As much as I love Ash, I can say goodbye. I am glad he did come through in the end and became the champion, but the writers smartly didnt have him stop travelling, his journey will never be over. I dont think anyone who didnt want the Ash series to end is wrong either, If Doraemon and Nobita can be the mains for 50 years why cant Ash0
I've heard that the ratings for Horizons haven't been much better than what Journeys had in Japan though. I also doubt that it has led to more new fans being introduced to the anime since I usually don't hear much about it unless a new opening theme drops or a Pokemon evolves. That isn't to say that the series is unpopular or unsuccessful. I'm just not sure if it made it easier to attract new fans to the anime than if we still had Ash as the main lead. I don't hear much praise for the actual storyline and the most praise I hear about Liko is that she isn't Ash, which is not a good selling point.

Ash continuing to travel was the smart idea since not only does it fit with his character, but it makes it easy for the writers to bring him back for a movie or special or anything else. Despite how much fans have wanted Ash replaced for years, I always thought that he was a feature of the anime, not some bug that they needed to fix, and I didn't think that the writing would magically get better with different leads.
 
I think it's safe to agree that while seeing Misty/Brock in small doses like the last 10 eps of MPM is fine, the writers generally didn't know what to do with them long term. Misty was a main character for 275 eps and Brock for somewhere over 600. You would think with these characters being on the show for literally hundreds of more eps than all the other characters would make them the most developed, but sadly that wasn't the case. Once you got to Johto it felt like the writers gave them the bare minimum of screentime, most eps they are just there to provide commentary on whatever Ash is doing in the episode.

It's especially telling that the show went on so long with so many different companions
 
I've heard that the ratings for Horizons haven't been much better than what Journeys had in Japan though. I also doubt that it has led to more new fans being introduced to the anime since I usually don't hear much about it unless a new opening theme drops or a Pokemon evolves. That isn't to say that the series is unpopular or unsuccessful. I'm just not sure if it made it easier to attract new fans to the anime than if we still had Ash as the main lead. I don't hear much praise for the actual storyline and the most praise I hear about Liko is that she isn't Ash, which is not a good selling point.

Ash continuing to travel was the smart idea since not only does it fit with his character, but it makes it easy for the writers to bring him back for a movie or special or anything else. Despite how much fans have wanted Ash replaced for years, I always thought that he was a feature of the anime, not some bug that they needed to fix, and I didn't think that the writing would magically get better with different leads.
I think this might be because Horizons audience is really young kids and young kids dont really populate forums or social media. We probably wont hear meaningful praise of Horizons until they grow up and make their opinions clear.
 
I think it's safe to agree that while seeing Misty/Brock in small doses like the last 10 eps of MPM is fine, the writers generally didn't know what to do with them long term. Misty was a main character for 275 eps and Brock for somewhere over 600. You would think with these characters being on the show for literally hundreds of more eps than all the other characters would make them the most developed, but sadly that wasn't the case. Once you got to Johto it felt like the writers gave them the bare minimum of screentime, most eps they are just there to provide commentary on whatever Ash is doing in the episode.
I don't agree with that. Both Misty and Brock did have character development. Not as much as some of the later companions did, but the original series in particular mostly focused on Ash and Team Rocket. Brock had much better focused episodes in both AG and DP that fleshed out his personality and his decision to become a Pokemon Doctor felt like a natural progression after he had been used more for Pokemon treatments. Misty did get some good focused episodes in Johto, even though you can make a good argument that it was too little too late by that point given she was going to be replaced. But even then her Chronicles episodes showed her becoming better as a Gym Leader and her later returns in later series further showed that growth.

I wouldn't say that they're some of the most well developed characters in the anime's history, but the notion that they didn't really do much with either Misty or Brock I'd say is inaccurate. Honestly, I think Iris and Cilan are the least developed traveling companions, especially going by just BW. Even by the end of the original series, it did feel like Ash, Misty and Brock had all been impacted by their time together. Iris and Cilan didn't really feel any different to me by the end of BW, despite how much the show was trying to hype up Iris as the best thing ever.

It's especially telling that the show went on so long with so many different companions
I don't see how that's a bad thing. Changing up the cast with different characters was a good thing. It helped to make each series feel more distinct and allow for the writers to tell different stories. It's one of the reasons why I didn't see the need to replace Ash when he had a new group of friends to bounce off for a few years. This also made it a lot easier for them to promote the newest games by featuring characters from the games, as well as giving them new Pokemon. Even when they started to have anime original characters in both Journeys and Horizons, they're still associated largely with new Pokemon. They'd be limited on what new Pokemon Misty could have as a Water type trainer and while Brock wasn't specifically interested in one type of Pokemon, he still wasn't battle active enough to really showcase some of the more popular Pokemon either. They couldn't keep the main trio around for multiple series since the dynamic would have gotten stale.

I think this might be because Horizons audience is really young kids and young kids dont really populate forums or social media. We probably wont hear meaningful praise of Horizons until they grow up and make their opinions clear.
That's possible, but that's still rather telling because I've heard general opinions of other Pokemon series pretty much ever since I started checking out online forums many years ago. Even before watching the dubs, I could usually get a general impression on how some fans felt about the newest series. That doesn't make those opinions facts of course, but not having that impression with Horizons even after being on the air for over a year is certainly strange.

The audience for the anime has always been for young kids. Replacing the lead doesn't change that, so I don't know if that explains why I haven't heard much about Horizons. More than a few people weren't happy with Ash being replaced and some considered it a good stopping point too, but I don't know if that would account for all of the older fans. I just have a hard time believing that Horizons has resulted in a significantly larger amount of new younger fans just by ratings alone, especially when I have heard different information about the ratings in Japan too.
 
I don't agree with that. Both Misty and Brock did have character development. Not as much as some of the later companions did, but the original series in particular mostly focused on Ash and Team Rocket. Brock had much better focused episodes in both AG and DP that fleshed out his personality and his decision to become a Pokemon Doctor felt like a natural progression after he had been used more for Pokemon treatments. Misty did get some good focused episodes in Johto, even though you can make a good argument that it was too little too late by that point given she was going to be replaced. But even then her Chronicles episodes showed her becoming better as a Gym Leader and her later returns in later series further showed that growth.

I wouldn't say that they're some of the most well developed characters in the anime's history, but the notion that they didn't really do much with either Misty or Brock I'd say is inaccurate. Honestly, I think Iris and Cilan are the least developed traveling companions, especially going by just BW. Even by the end of the original series, it did feel like Ash, Misty and Brock had all been impacted by their time together. Iris and Cilan didn't really feel any different to me by the end of BW, despite how much the show was trying to hype up Iris as the best thing ever.


I don't see how that's a bad thing. Changing up the cast with different characters was a good thing. It helped to make each series feel more distinct and allow for the writers to tell different stories. It's one of the reasons why I didn't see the need to replace Ash when he had a new group of friends to bounce off for a few years. This also made it a lot easier for them to promote the newest games by featuring characters from the games, as well as giving them new Pokemon. Even when they started to have anime original characters in both Journeys and Horizons, they're still associated largely with new Pokemon. They'd be limited on what new Pokemon Misty could have as a Water type trainer and while Brock wasn't specifically interested in one type of Pokemon, he still wasn't battle active enough to really showcase some of the more popular Pokemon either. They couldn't keep the main trio around for multiple series since the dynamic would have gotten stale.


That's possible, but that's still rather telling because I've heard general opinions of other Pokemon series pretty much ever since I started checking out online forums many years ago. Even before watching the dubs, I could usually get a general impression on how some fans felt about the newest series. That doesn't make those opinions facts of course, but not having that impression with Horizons even after being on the air for over a year is certainly strange.

The audience for the anime has always been for young kids. Replacing the lead doesn't change that, so I don't know if that explains why I haven't heard much about Horizons. More than a few people weren't happy with Ash being replaced and some considered it a good stopping point too, but I don't know if that would account for all of the older fans. I just have a hard time believing that Horizons has resulted in a significantly larger amount of new younger fans just by ratings alone, especially when I have heard different information about the ratings in Japan too.
Precisely, the old fans have moved on. What remains is the new guard and we dont really know how they feel. You also dont watch Horizons (This isnt a gotcha, just pointing this out) so it is not that far off to assume most others have also moved on.
 
Precisely, the old fans have moved on. What remains is the new guard and we dont really know how they feel. You also dont watch Horizons (This isnt a gotcha, just pointing this out) so it is not that far off to assume most others have also moved on.
No, that's still a pretty big assumption. Just because I haven't started watching Horizons yet doesn't mean all other long time fans are doing the same. The fanbase isn't a hive mind and my opinions don't reflect how other long time fans of the anime feel, especially when I doubt that there are a lot of people who have been watching since the original series too. Not to mention wanting Ash to be replaced has been a common talking points among fans for decades when I never thought it was really needed. Writing it off as just the new guard watching Horizons and that they're too young to post their thoughts online just doesn't make sense. It's a big assumption based on little information.
 
I think at hard thing for the more recent series both Journeys and Horizons is being on Netflix (outside of Japan, I think) and they put episodes out in batches and I don't think I've seen much promos for it by Netflix. It's not like the days of KidsToonXD where there would be set time(s) , promos, and less batch drops. Then again , they might be doing well and we just don't know because we don't get weekly data. Who knows. I haven't caught Horizons much because I kind of forget about it , that's a think with me when a show isn't on channel, I might forget it runs.

Also fun fact, Journeys is now on Amazon / Freevee at least in the US.
 
No, that's still a pretty big assumption. Just because I haven't started watching Horizons yet doesn't mean all other long time fans are doing the same. The fanbase isn't a hive mind and my opinions don't reflect how other long time fans of the anime feel, especially when I doubt that there are a lot of people who have been watching since the original series too. Not to mention wanting Ash to be replaced has been a common talking points among fans for decades when I never thought it was really needed. Writing it off as just the new guard watching Horizons and that they're too young to post their thoughts online just doesn't make sense. It's a big assumption based on little information.
That's true. And you are right, if people wanted Ash replaced they would probably indeed keep watching now that they got their wish.
 
I think at hard thing for the more recent series both Journeys and Horizons is being on Netflix (outside of Japan, I think) and they put episodes out in batches and I don't think I've seen much promos for it by Netflix. It's not like the days of KidsToonXD where there would be set time(s) , promos, and less batch drops. Then again , they might be doing well and we just don't know because we don't get weekly data. Who knows. I haven't caught Horizons much because I kind of forget about it , that's a think with me when a show isn't on channel, I might forget it runs.
The English dubs have definitely had less promotion over the years and being far behind the Japanese version doesn't help matters either. I still don't think that the gap between the versions is that bad. At least they aren't a full series behind like what has been the case for the Yu-Gi-Oh! franchise, but a lot of the big moments since XY don't carry the same kind of impact with the dub like they have with the Japanese versions. Even with that in mind, I just haven't heard a lot about how fans felt about the Japanese version of Horizons, which is quite strange in my opinion.

I think Journeys did fairly well since I think it was part of their top 10 shows for the week when a new batch dropped, at least initially. It must have done well enough for Netflix since they wanted to distribute Horizons as well.

Also fun fact, Journeys is now on Amazon / Freevee at least in the US.
That's pretty cool. I didn't think Journeys would be able to be streamed outside of Netflix. It would certainly be ideal if all of the series could be easily accessible with one site instead of spread across various streaming services.

That's true. And you are right, if people wanted Ash replaced they would probably indeed keep watching now that they got their wish.
Perhaps not all of them since a lot of people who wanted Ash gone stopped watching the anime years ago, but I'm sure that plenty of other long time fans wanted to keep up with Horizons too.
 
People wanted Ash to leave since DP, some even as early as the end of Johto. The end of XY was a breaking point since Ash loss the Kalos league, and that was basically why people started to want him wrapped up even more. Once they also started changing Ash's design/characterisation with SM and to a lesser extent JN, it became obvious it was time for him to go. If you have to completely re-invent Ash each new series now, it's better just to wrap him up...which they did...only it was a little too late.

As for Misty/Brock, the above is true, but as said most of Misty's development comes after she leaves the main cast in her cameos/specials than when she was on it. The few eps she gets in Johto are just a handful at the end of the series, but that's not enough for a full 150 ep saga. And Brock simply just lasted too long, even if DP arguably did the best with him people just stopped caring by that point.

Just be glad the writers "got things right" and started developing the companions properly from May onward. Misty/Brock, Tracey and Max all got very little focus to themselves besides the occasional episode, and they didn't start giving characters their own agency till May. The only reason Misty/Brock get some leeway is the original Kanto season was funnier/better written so their lack of screentime wasn't really noticeable when the show first started.
 
People wanted Ash to leave since DP, some even as early as the end of Johto. The end of XY was a breaking point since Ash loss the Kalos league, and that was basically why people started to want him wrapped up even more. Once they also started changing Ash's design/characterisation with SM and to a lesser extent JN, it became obvious it was time for him to go. If you have to completely re-invent Ash each new series now, it's better just to wrap him up...which they did...only it was a little too late.
Ash's design started to change in BW technically, even if it was just his eyes. I wouldn't say that Ash was reinvented with each new series. They made him a bit more like a kid in SM, but that didn't clash with his personality or resulted in being a weaker trainer. I don't think that they needed to wrap up Ash, but just allow him to win more often than they did. That's what people were tired of, especially when his defeats started to become more controversial. They seemingly didn't want him to get a Championship title, even though there could have been a way to keep him as a lead even afterwards.

It's entirely possible that winning the Alola League and becoming a World Champion were in response to the Kalos League backlash. That backlash was pretty intense, even if it did calm down after a couple of weeks. If that was the case, then I think that the writers overcompensated, especially with Journeys. Going from Alola League Champion to World Champion was a pretty huge and downright unbelievable jump. Given how the World Championships was handled for the bulk of the series, I just can't believe that they planned for that to be Ash's sendoff series from the start. He spent most of the first half of the tournament battling against random nobodies. That wouldn't give the impression that the tournament would be his sendoff, even with his goal to battle Leon again in mind.

It's even worse for Team Rocket who had virtually nothing going on in the series, Jessie didn't make a new capture, James' one capture was virtually pointless and there wasn't as much of a sendoff for them either. I don't mind that they'll just chase after Ash off-screen. That's also pretty fitting for their characters and makes it easy to bring them back as well, but they had very little attention during most of Journeys. As much as I don't think Ash's storyline was handled well, it was at least something.

As for Misty/Brock, the above is true, but as said most of Misty's development comes after she leaves the main cast in her cameos/specials than when she was on it. The few eps she gets in Johto are just a handful at the end of the series, but that's not enough for a full 150 ep saga. And Brock simply just lasted too long, even if DP arguably did the best with him people just stopped caring by that point.
Even if it was mostly from cameos and specials, that still counts as development. I wouldn't say that Misty didn't change during the proper original series either. She had a better relationship with Ash than how they started out and was generally able to keep her cool more effectively too. Again, it's not much compared to future companions, but it's still something. Considering that this was the first series and they were still figuring out what they wanted to do, I'm pretty fine with cutting the writers some slack in that regard too.

It wasn't an uncommon opinion that Brock lasted too long by that point, but I don't think that every fan felt that way about him. I never had an issue with Brock sticking around as long as he did since it still worked with the group dynamics for both AG and DP. Having good focused episodes really helped too. I don't think DP would have improved drastically if they had a different male traveling companion either. That being said, it probably was for the best that they started to changed all of Ash's traveling companions when they did. While I don't think Cilan ultimately was a better replacement, it still allowed for the writers to create different group dynamics and storylines than if they were only replacing the female leads again.

Just be glad the writers "got things right" and started developing the companions properly from May onward. Misty/Brock, Tracey and Max all got very little focus to themselves besides the occasional episode, and they didn't start giving characters their own agency till May. The only reason Misty/Brock get some leeway is the original Kanto season was funnier/better written so their lack of screentime wasn't really noticeable when the show first started.
I wouldn't really say that the original Kanto season was better written compared to Johto or more later series exactly. I think it wasn't really noticeable when the show first started was because more fans focused on Ash's battles, catching Pokemon and just seeing Pokemon animated. The more comedic tone might have helped too. Most kids watching at the time also probably weren't too worried about character development so much as just seeing cool and cute Pokemon on TV. Misty and Brock's personalities still shined well enough with the group dynamics, so that probably helped too.
 
I first watched Pokemon in the fall of 1998. I know it was before it came to Kids WB but after the original batch of syndicated episodes went through one cycle. I started watching it after my friend told me when it came on. The first episode I saw was the one where Ash gets Bulbasaur. Needless to say, I was hooked. I was obsessed for like the next year, but my interest stated to wane around Orange Islands. My brother watched through Advanced (or maybe Diamond and Pearl) so I saw them in passing.

I did start to watch Black and White because it’s on Tubi. I know a lot of people hate it but I found myself kind of liking it. It felt like something from my childhood in another timeline. Dont ask.
 
I don’t know that Brock really overstayed his welcome. He was more interesting than Cilan. Iris was also a really poor replacement for Dawn. Unfortunately she’s like Misty but much worse, as a lot of her time was spent on childish bickering with Ash. One of my least favorite episodes in all the Ash seasons is the episode where Iris and Ash are fighting over some spoiled fruit she ate. When she comes back as a champion in Journeys, she’s a completely different character. I’m also not a fan of how Team Rocket was handled in Black and White. They really weren’t funny enough, especially early on. It is my least favorite era for the anime.

What made May, Dawn, and Serena great female companions was they had their own sagas with the Pokemon Contests/Showcases. Misty occasionally got some good highlight episodes like the Joy of Water Pokemon or the Whirl Cup saga, but the more structured format of the later girls’ adventures let them develop their teams better. A lot of Misty’s Pokemon got little to no screen time, like Goldeen.

I think DP is probably the best saga because Dawn has a great journey and so does Ash. One of the things I don’t like much about AG is how they didn’t really come up with a replacement for Gary until the league was almost upon us. DP used Paul to great effect as a foil to Ash. His heartless methods made him a polar opposite to Ash, and his strength surpassed Gary. Gary, especially in Kanto, came across as a pampered brat surrounded by cheerleaders. When push came to shove, he got clobbered first by Mewtwo at the Viridian gym and then at the Pokemon League. In Johto, Gary was improving as a character and more of a serious and motivated trainer. The final battle between Ash and Gary at the Pokemon League was amazing, but I think the final battle between Ash and Paul at the Sinnoh League was even better. Even after the Masters 8, I think that final Ash vs Paul battle is still my favorite.
 
I don’t know that Brock really overstayed his welcome. He was more interesting than Cilan. Iris was also a really poor replacement for Dawn. Unfortunately she’s like Misty but much worse, as a lot of her time was spent on childish bickering with Ash. One of my least favorite episodes in all the Ash seasons is the episode where Iris and Ash are fighting over some spoiled fruit she ate. When she comes back as a champion in Journeys, she’s a completely different character. I’m also not a fan of how Team Rocket was handled in Black and White. They really weren’t funny enough, especially early on. It is my least favorite era for the anime.
Yeah, I prefer Brock over Cilan too. Cilan is still likable and has some good chemistry with Ash, but he really doesn't have much going on. You can make a similar argument about Brock, but at least his goal wasn't turned into a running joke. Even Cilan's reason for leaving at the end of the series felt like the writers admitting that they didn't really care about his goal. Brock also wasn't nearly a master level breeder like Cilan was with his goal.

I didn't care for Iris's bickering with Ash either, but all things considered, I just found her personality unlikable and her entire storyline was written poorly from start to finish. All of her accomplishments from Axew learning Dragon Rage to battling against Drayden felt like they were handed to her. The show kept praising Iris as this super special Dragon Master in training and Drayden wanted her to become a Gym Leader, but her skills never matched up to that. She barely actually did any training and while she did take part in the Club Battle tournaments, those battles were all really bad. Her struggle with Dragonite showed that she didn't learn anything from Excadrill either.

Iris becoming a Champion off screen in Journeys didn't feel like a satisfying conclusion to her story. It felt like the writers were forcing her to become more like her video game counterpart on top of giving her more unearned achievements. The notion that Iris took part in the Unova League, won it and defeated the Unova League 4 all off screen is a lot for the audience to buy. I can't blame them too much when I'm sure that they had to include Champion Iris since the Master Class featured all regional Champions up to that point from the games, but it was still handled rather poorly. I did like her connection with Ash's Dragonite though. That was a better way of showing Iris's maturity from her off-screen adventures than her Champion title did.

What made May, Dawn, and Serena great female companions was they had their own sagas with the Pokemon Contests/Showcases. Misty occasionally got some good highlight episodes like the Joy of Water Pokemon or the Whirl Cup saga, but the more structured format of the later girls’ adventures let them develop their teams better. A lot of Misty’s Pokemon got little to no screen time, like Goldeen.
That certainly helped because the writers were basically forced to have May and Dawn train and battle their Pokemon at least a bit more frequently than if they didn't have battle active goals. I didn't care for Showcases. They always felt like the poor man's Contest and never seemed nearly as difficult as the show kept trying to claim that they were, but at least it gave Serena some good development and her smaller team worked better with it as well. Misty just had way too many Pokemon, most of which couldn't even do much outside of water. I really loved Horsea's capture episode, but it did virtually nothing afterwards before being left behind at her Gym, which was a shame. They had a much better idea as to how to handle teams for non-battle active characters in later series.

I think DP is probably the best saga because Dawn has a great journey and so does Ash. One of the things I don’t like much about AG is how they didn’t really come up with a replacement for Gary until the league was almost upon us. DP used Paul to great effect as a foil to Ash. His heartless methods made him a polar opposite to Ash, and his strength surpassed Gary. Gary, especially in Kanto, came across as a pampered brat surrounded by cheerleaders. When push came to shove, he got clobbered first by Mewtwo at the Viridian gym and then at the Pokemon League. In Johto, Gary was improving as a character and more of a serious and motivated trainer. The final battle between Ash and Gary at the Pokemon League was amazing, but I think the final battle between Ash and Paul at the Sinnoh League was even better. Even after the Masters 8, I think that final Ash vs Paul battle is still my favorite.
I really love DP too. Dawn's Contests are treated with just as much importance as Ash's battles and her storyline is really solid. They never seemed to figure out what Dawn should do after DP since she just hops around different regions, never seeming to make any progress with her goal unlike most of the other returning characters in Journeys. The fact that her Quilava never evolved into either regular Typhlosion or Hisuian Typhlosion is a huge shame.

Personally, I didn't mind the lack of a rival for Ash in AG. Gary had minimal appearances in Johto prior to the Johto League. The rivalry was still there, but it wasn't really a big factor for most of the original series, so Ash not even having one for most of AG didn't feel too different with that in mind. Plus, I thought it helped to make the series more distinct. Paul is definitely a huge highlight of DP though. His rivarly with Ash was so engaging and their battles were really great. Ash vs. Paul is still the best full battle in my book. It's the closest to perfection in large part because it was built up so well across four years. It was satisfying payoff for such a huge storyline of the series. While the match between Professor Kukui was really good, it doesn't have the same kind of payoff by comparison.
 
I didn't care for Iris's bickering with Ash either, but all things considered, I just found her personality unlikable and her entire storyline was written poorly from start to finish. All of her accomplishments from Axew learning Dragon Rage to battling against Drayden felt like they were handed to her. The show kept praising Iris as this super special Dragon Master in training and Drayden wanted her to become a Gym Leader, but her skills never matched up to that. She barely actually did any training and while she did take part in the Club Battle tournaments, those battles were all really bad. Her struggle with Dragonite showed that she didn't learn anything from Excadrill either.

Iris becoming a Champion off screen in Journeys didn't feel like a satisfying conclusion to her story. It felt like the writers were forcing her to become more like her video game counterpart on top of giving her more unearned achievements. The notion that Iris took part in the Unova League, won it and defeated the Unova League 4 all off screen is a lot for the audience to buy. I can't blame them too much when I'm sure that they had to include Champion Iris since the Master Class featured all regional Champions up to that point from the games, but it was still handled rather poorly. I did like her connection with Ash's Dragonite though. That was a better way of showing Iris's maturity from her off-screen adventures than her Champion title did.
Iris in the masters 8 was just oddly handled in general. She lost without using any of the special power ups that all the other champions used. If you’re a young trainer who just became champion, you should be prepared to use mega evolution, z moves, or dynamax. I don’t think she should’ve beaten Cynthia, because I really wanted to see Ash vs. Cynthia and not Ash vs. Iris. Iris losing to Cynthia sets up Cynthia as powerful and gives Ash an extra motive to win against her. Still, compared to the other trainers in the tournament, Iris seemed out of her league. I think we should’ve gotten a flashback episode showing her evolving her Pokemon, becoming champion, and mastering one of the power up techniques, to give her presence there a little more meaning. It seemed like she had just suddenly transformed from the anime character to the character from the end of BW2 games.
 
Iris not using a gimmick is good, since it shows her strong without one. Although the real issue is Gamefreak never gave Dragonite a Mega Evolution or something similar, so it's the same reason Ash's Dragonite barely had any development because they couldn't give it a gimmick like how his Gengar got to G-max, or Mega Lucario, etc. That's more on the game side of things, same reason AshGreninja exists because the XY games never gave the Kalos starters Mega forms for some reason.

As for Hoenn not having a rival, Drew was basically the replacement for Gary in the series even if he was for May, they even had Ash and Drew battle each other too. Drew did start off as "Contest Gary" although he develops into his own character as it goes on. And as said, Ash not having a real rival didn't matter too much, although I do wish Morrison or Katie were introduced prior to the league or earlier so we could get to know them. They would have been fun to have around.

But overall these are minor quibbles. Most of the complaints about the anime started heavily due to Ash's characterisation change between sagas from BW onward. Looking back the whole OS/AG/DP era was really interconnected in terms of plotlines, stories and continuity, that I feel we took it for granted when it was airing. Sure it was never perfect, like the writers ignored Pidgeot for 20 years, the Battle Frontier arc barely had any memorable Kanto locations revisited, old characters still wound up forgotten, etc....but it still had a stronger sense of being all the same series back then.
 
Iris in the masters 8 was just oddly handled in general. She lost without using any of the special power ups that all the other champions used. If you’re a young trainer who just became champion, you should be prepared to use mega evolution, z moves, or dynamax. I don’t think she should’ve beaten Cynthia, because I really wanted to see Ash vs. Cynthia and not Ash vs. Iris. Iris losing to Cynthia sets up Cynthia as powerful and gives Ash an extra motive to win against her. Still, compared to the other trainers in the tournament, Iris seemed out of her league. I think we should’ve gotten a flashback episode showing her evolving her Pokemon, becoming champion, and mastering one of the power up techniques, to give her presence there a little more meaning. It seemed like she had just suddenly transformed from the anime character to the character from the end of BW2 games.
I don't know if Iris using one of the battle mechanics would have necessarily made her role in Journeys better. Her team is mainly fifth generation Pokemon, so they wouldn't have Mega Evolutions available. I don't know if Z-Moves would have fit with her, especially when I think Ash was the only trainer in the Master Class who did have access to that mechanic. Dynamax could have possibly worked, especially when Cynthia used it. Considering that she and Ash are the youngest Champions in the tournament, it does make sense in a way that she's out of her league.

Considering the last time we saw Iris prior to Journeys was chasing after Rayquaza in Johto, her characterization into a Unova regional Champion really does feel off. A flashback might have helped, but I don't think it would have changed much for me, especially when it's a lot of off-screen development for the audience to buy into. You can make a good argument that her Champion status doesn't have much weight in a sense when she only loses. It makes sense that she'd lose to both Ash and Cynthia, but when she only loses, it can make her Champion title feel more hollow.

Iris not using a gimmick is good, since it shows her strong without one. Although the real issue is Gamefreak never gave Dragonite a Mega Evolution or something similar, so it's the same reason Ash's Dragonite barely had any development because they couldn't give it a gimmick like how his Gengar got to G-max, or Mega Lucario, etc. That's more on the game side of things, same reason AshGreninja exists because the XY games never gave the Kalos starters Mega forms for some reason.
The issue with Ash's Dragonite was less that it didn't have a Mega Evolution, but that they just gave him a fully evolved Pokemon, so there was less for them to do with it in general. Gengar had its Gigantamax form and Lucario had Mega Evolution, but aside from maybe Lucario, Ash's Journeys team didn't particularly have a lot of development to begin with. To be fair, this was an issue with Journeys in general, not just with Ash's team. Unless a Pokemon was being caught, getting an evolution or some kind of upgrade, most Pokemon tend to barely get much attention in this series. While it's far from his worst team, this kind of made Ash's Journeys team feel more hollow to me, which is insane considering how long I wanted Ash to get a Lucario.

As for Hoenn not having a rival, Drew was basically the replacement for Gary in the series even if he was for May, they even had Ash and Drew battle each other too. Drew did start off as "Contest Gary" although he develops into his own character as it goes on. And as said, Ash not having a real rival didn't matter too much, although I do wish Morrison or Katie were introduced prior to the league or earlier so we could get to know them. They would have been fun to have around.
Morrison was okay, but I thought that he worked fine as a League rival. Katie being introduced sooner would have been cool though. It's a shame that they didn't show a lot of female trainers in Leagues or give Ash more female rivals. Technically, I guess Bianca would be it, but they butchered both her characer and storyline from the games so badly in BW. She was basically a less competent and more annoying version of Barry.

But overall these are minor quibbles. Most of the complaints about the anime started heavily due to Ash's characterisation change between sagas from BW onward. Looking back the whole OS/AG/DP era was really interconnected in terms of plotlines, stories and continuity, that I feel we took it for granted when it was airing. Sure it was never perfect, like the writers ignored Pidgeot for 20 years, the Battle Frontier arc barely had any memorable Kanto locations revisited, old characters still wound up forgotten, etc....but it still had a stronger sense of being all the same series back then.
No, I'm pretty sure that people complained about the anime before BW. As much as I love DP, the Sinnoh League was the first controversial defeat for Ash. People to this day still complain about Tobias, wishing that Ash could defeat him now as if that would mean anything to anyone besides those still bitter about that battle after all these years I'm sure that people wanted Ash to be replaced well before BW too. Some fans weren't a fan of the pacing, especially the year gap between Ash's seventh and eighth badges, even though a lot of huge developments happened during that time. Not to mention the backlash towards Misty's departure. The notion that the complaints were just minor quibbles prior to BW really isn't true.

OS/AG/DP were three different series. You can argue that they felt more well connected compared to later series, but they were still largely stand alone series. You didn't need to see OS to watch DP.
 

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