Marvel's Spider-Man "Spider-Man On Ice" Talkback (Spoilers)

[RoyalRubble]

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Marvel's Spider-Man "Spider-Man On Ice"
Episode Debut - October 14th, 2017

Spidey must stop a low-level villain who acquired some impressive freezing technology.

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[Magmaster12]

I've actually been enjoying this show but oh man was this episode REALLY bad, there was absolutely no thought put into this one.

 

[DoubleDango]

With this episode, it feels like the writers have all but dropped the "Harry hates Spider-Man" sub-plot. I can't complain too much since I found the set-up clumsy in the first place, but it's sloppy that they didn't really explain why their relationship progressed in this way.

This is a problem inherent in quite a lot of Spider-Man media that features villains without super-strength/durability, so it's more of a nitpick, but you think the first well-placed kick/punch from Spidey would have knocked out Blizzard, who is just an average thug who gains ice powers through the gauntlet.

Continuing on nitpicks, his design was a little confusing. I guess the hair whitening thing was just something he decided to do to look cooler, but why in the world did the diamond make a vein on his head turn blue? It's not like the gauntlet affects your DNA or your genetic make-up, he just exploited it to gain ice powers. It's a minor thing, but that would've made more sense to me if he had gone through an ice-based transformation that actually affected his human biology and not just a high-tech weapon.

No sign of Miles in this episode, either. I'll have to concede (as Frontier, Royal Rubble, and others already have) that it's just gonna be a thing that Spider Man's buds rotate in and out without any real explanation for it.

 

[Gold Guy]

More thoughts later..but I will say that for people who have read the comics, the flaming sword will be very familiar.

 

[Frontier]

I'm kind of surprised the episode didn't remark on how similar Peter stopping Blizzard by chance was to the time he let the burglar who shot Uncle Ben get away .

It was interesting seeing a little more conflict between Peter and Harry in this episode as their two differing ideologies on their invention clash, with Harry being willing to weaponize the gauntlet if it means helping people while it was completely off the table for Peter. I'd be surprised if that doesn't come back up again .

It was cool to see them use the Randy Macklin version of Blizzard here since this is the first time he's appeared in a cartoon and most media use the Donnie Gill Blizzard instead. I thought he was a pretty decent antagonist for the episode, especially since Spidey doesn't often fight villains with ice powers, and Trevor Devall did a good job depicting him as a low-rent thug trying to be something bigger then what he really is .

It's kind of interesting that so far all the non-Spidey villains Peter has tangled with on the show have been all connected to Iron Man. I wonder if there's something to that (Cough)synergy(Cough) .

Joe Quesada finally makes his voice acting debut as Joe in this episode...only to force Peter and Harry to clean up Blizzard's mess (though I guess they were partially responsible for it) and kind of rub in the source of Harry's injuries with all that ice. He seems like a swell guy .

Another episode where Miles is a no-show. I'm not sure if it's because Disney XD is airing these out-of-order or if it's because the writers jumped the gun by introducing Miles as another Spider-Hero too early, but after introducing him and having him partner up with and learn Spidey's identity you'd think he wouldn't get dropped in subsequent episodes .

At least in B:TAS they provided an excuse why Robin wasn't around all the time, since Dick was at college. It makes me wonder how jarring it's going to be when the other Spiders debut and how jarring it will be when they all magically vanish or don't get addressed in certain episodes .

It was cool to see Hammerhead again, though now that the show has bumped him up to major crime boss status, rather then as the lackey for someone else, it makes it even weirder that they seem to have completely de-powered him .

"I like showing you that you need us more then we need you Spider-Man." I feel like that kind of sums up the writers' handling of the civilian cast in relation to Spider-Man .

I wonder how much of a coincidence it was that Harry's flaming sword resembled the Phil Urich's Hobgoblin's sword...

I guess that thermal-webbing is the first proper tech upgrade Spider-Man's gotten at this point, though given how situational it seems, I wonder how much we're going to see it in action ?

Y'know, it was kind of refreshing to see a civilian character (even one powered by SCIENCE) step into a fight between Spider-Man and a bad guy and actually get hurt, showing that what Spider-Man does is dangerous work that's not really safe for normal people with no experience to get involved in .

So what is Peter going to use with that fake diamond? And if it was a fake diamond the whole time, why did it react so well with the ice gauntlet ?

With this episode, it feels like the writers have all but dropped the "Harry hates Spider-Man" sub-plot. I can't complain too much since I found the set-up clumsy in the first place, but it's sloppy that they didn't really explain why their relationship progressed in this way.

I just assumed after the last episode that Harry is a little more tolerant of Spider-Man now .

 

[Mostezli]

I've actually been enjoying this show but oh man was this episode REALLY bad, there was absolutely no thought put into this one.

There were a number of things I can take issue with (they're just now worried about weaponizable or dangerous tech? very conspicuous place to test out new advanced tech, the shoehorned "great power & great responsibility", and the awkward words exchanged upon defeating Blizzard as if to imply the loss was his doing), but somehow this one worked for me.
1. Just an ordinary thug who went against the local crime boss with extraordinary aspirations
2. Harry and Spidey getting to talk it out + Harry and Peter as well
3. Silver on ice
4. those puns

So what is Peter going to use with that fake diamond? And if it was a fake diamond the whole time, why did it react so well with the ice gauntlet ?

It's glass. Harry said he needed more refraction, so the logic was likely a larger quantity of what he already had.

The metaphor for that one was pretty impressive.

 

[DoubleDango]

If the production codes are any indication of chronology, all of the episodes that have aired since "Ultimate Spider Man" have taken place after that episode. 103 has yet to air, and Screwball Live is curiously 110 (since Ultimate Spider Man was 111, I could make sense of Miles not appearing in that one), but considering the recent thing with the Avengers Halloween episode, it wouldn't be entirely out of the blue for the network to mess up the order of episodes a little.

I guess my beef, then, is more with the previous episode, where it would have made sense for Harry to at least articulate that he had started seeing Spider-Man in a better light, but instead, he's just talking to him on a nicer level with no sign of epiphany or transition on Harry's part. Now, the transition from this episode to this one makes sense, I suppose, considering their relatively calm discussion there.

Peter's "We shouldn't use the fire sword because it's basically a weapon" fell flat, and felt kind of hypocritical to me because Spider-Man uses it in the same way Harry tried to against Blizzard. He doesn't even bring up this point at the end of the episode: if anything, Peter seems perfectly content with the weapon. I didn't really see that earlier point go anywhere...

I don't know. I felt like the "show don't tell" rule was kind of broken when it came to Blizzard here. Instead of the episode showed him being belittled, all we got was a crime boss being understandably peeved when he was late on a job, and Blizzard basically telling the audience he's belittled (because it saves time on having to show it).

 

[Gold Guy]

I enjoyed this episode more than the last two (I guess the show is better when it's focusing on just our main hero). I still think Peter and Harry's relationship is the best part of the show, although you can kind of see how it's a bit strained here. Hopefully Harry doesn't turn to the dark side.

I had to Google the silver thing, to see if that was legit. Apparently - it is - albeit, very much exaggerated here.

 

[Frontier]

Peter's "We shouldn't use the fire sword because it's basically a weapon" fell flat, and felt kind of hypocritical to me because Spider-Man uses it in the same way Harry tried to against Blizzard. He doesn't even bring up this point at the end of the episode: if anything, Peter seems perfectly content with the weapon. I didn't really see that earlier point go anywhere...

I just assumed Peter acknowledging how useful the weapon was in defeating Blizzard as a silent acknowledgement on his part about how Harry building it was ultimately fine, but I understand your point.

I don't know. I felt like the "show don't tell" rule was kind of broken when it came to Blizzard here. Instead of the episode showed him being belittled, all we got was a crime boss being understandably peeved when he was late on a job, and Blizzard basically telling the audience he's belittled (because it saves time on having to show it).

Compared to, say, Sandman and Rhino in Spectacular who started out as normal thugs Spidey would always bust before taking on their Supervillain identities (sometimes it's all in the build-up) .

I had to Google the silver thing, to see if that was legit. Apparently - it is - albeit, very much exaggerated here.

I have no way of knowing how well they've been doing on that front since I don't really know a lick about science, but I do know from interviews that the writers have said they try and be as accurate as possible whenever they reference something scientific .

I mean, if you're going to emphasize SCIENCE in a Spider-Man cartoon, the least you can do is be as true as possible to it .

 

[Magmaster12]

I feel like the script for this episode was hastily written together in order to have "winter" themed episode since Holiday specials are usually always after the Halloween ones and Blizzard is the only Marvel villain with ice powers.

The stupidest moment was the fact that Blizzard just left an obvious trail of destruction for Spiderman to follow, how dumb can you be?

 

[RoryWilliams]

I'd thought before they were obviously foreshadowing Harry becoming the Green Goblin, but with that flaming sword now I think he's gonna become the Hobgoblin.

 

[Frontier]

The stupidest moment was the fact that Blizzard just left an obvious trail of destruction for Spiderman to follow, how dumb can you be?

I think Spidey pointed out how dumb it was that Blizzard was leaving an easy trail for him to find, but Blizzard was trying to showcase how he was "big time" now which was why he was so public with his attack .

I'd thought before they were obviously foreshadowing Harry becoming the Green Goblin, but with that flaming sword now I think he's gonna become the Hobgoblin.

It can't be a coincidence that Harry's sword resembled that version of the Hobgoblin's sword, and on-top of that it frees Norman up to still be the Green Goblin .

 

[RoyalRubble]

I liked how Spidey and Harry worked together in this episode. It did feel like the sub-plot of Harry's hatred for Spidey needed a little more time to reach this conclusion, but I can't complain too much. Their interactions were pretty good. Likewise, the usual Peter and Harry scenes. I wonder how much things will change if/when Harry will find out Peter's secret, or he ends up on the wrong side of the law (like the show's description mentioned).

Blizzard was a pretty cool villain - no pun intended. His abilities did lead to some nice action scenes. Especially once that fire sword comes into play, and I imagine this wasn't the last time it will be used on the show. Also, it's interesting how they're apparently making Hammerhead a big crime boss on the show. Between him, Osborn and possibly Warren, the show is setting up lots of foes for Spidey to fight.

 

[Frontier]

Blizzard was a pretty cool villain - no pun intended. His abilities did lead to some nice action scenes. Especially once that fire sword comes into play, and I imagine this wasn't the last time it will be used on the show. Also, it's interesting how they're apparently making Hammerhead a big crime boss on the show. Between him, Osborn and possibly Warren, the show is setting up lots of foes for Spidey to fight.

I thought it was kind of funny how Hammerhead talked about needing Supervillain muscle when that's usually his job .

 

[Fone Bone]

Marvel's Spider-Man "Spider-Man On Ice"

Spider-Man in shorts at the end was so cheesy.

The writing his name in the snow gag was kind of gross if you think about it.

So-so. ***.

 

[Barbossa]

How in Gods name are these kids making all these high tech stuff in every episode. Its getting a bit over the top now, even for a Spiderman cartoon show. Who needs Iron-man in this universe...

 

[Fone Bone]

All of the high-tech stuff in Marvel is nonsense. That's always been a real problem for the franchise. At least when DC has futuristic technology, they usually say it's alien in origin. But the characters in the Marvel Universe like Tony Stark are creating items that border on the magical in the present day. And that's not just this show. It's a real problem for Marvel.

 

[Barbossa]

I mean, the kids creating high tech stuff was cute and cool at first but its just getting to ridiculous levels now and we are not even half way of season 1. Even kids watching this show will be confused by it

 

[Frontier]

I'm starting to question whether anyone in the supporting cast counts as a civilian at this point given how many times they've bailed Spidey out with absurd tech they've developed by themselves .

 

[thisguyisnotcool]

I'm starting to question whether anyone in the supporting cast counts as a civilian at this point given how many times they've bailed Spidey out with absurd tech they've developed by themselves .

Spider-Man is having the same problem as the Flash TV show