Pokemon 5th Generation: What do you hope for next?

Yah, that's what I want.
Paul's traveled the same regions as Ash, I say let him come to the next region Ash is heading too. Some how, they can make the rivalry better.
 
old rivals become buddies

Gary could join up with Ash, Dawn (if she's still around for Black & White) and Brock.
 
If they have a new lead girl, I hope she has some attitude, maybe even someone that not afraid to break a few rules. The last two girls they had, they were goodie goodie's. I thought the original cast had the best chemistry, and when I say the original cast I mean the whole cast including Team Rocket. Misty was not a foil for Ash, but also a foil for Team Rocket and especially Jessie. She has called Jessie an old lady, old hag, witch, etc. I find the Misty vs Jessie episodes more entertating than the contest tournaments in which May and Dawn competted against one of Jessie's alto ego.
 
old rivals become buddies

Gary could join up with Ash, Dawn (if she's still around for Black & White) and Brock.

No!!! I don't want Paul to become friendly like Gary.
I hope the writers do some thing different. I really want him around for the next region. Just do some thing different with there rivalry, don't let Paul be like Gary when it came to Johto. They got it right with Paul when having him show up in a lot of episodes and showing different things. He can kind of do some soul searching, why he lost and stuff. Have him try and get better and rechallange Ash a few times. I think it'd be cool.

Ask for Dawn, I'm pretty sure she's not going. Spoiler says they'll be splitting up soon.
I don't even know if shey'll see Ash home town. If not, shey'll be the first girl not to see it.
Course, she had a good run. More episodes than Misty and May even had and more TV movies even. Well maybe not TV movies, Misty had more.
I to hope the new next girl has more personality. New sidequest too, I'm tired of contests. Unless, next boy does them in the TV movie.
 
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Ask for Dawn, I'm pretty sure she's not going. Spoiler says they'll be splitting up soon.
I don't even know if shey'll see Ash home town. If not, shey'll be the first girl not to see it.
Course, she had a good run. More episodes than Misty and May even had and more TV movies even. Well maybe not TV movies, Misty had more.
I to hope the new next girl has more personality. New sidequest too, I'm tired of contests. Unless, next boy does them in the TV movie.

I don't think that Dawn was in more episodes than Misty and May. Misty was in about two-hundred and seventy-four episodes, even more if you want to count her episodes in Chronicles and May was in over one-hundred and ninety episodes. As of now, Dawn has only been in over one-hundred and sixty episodes. Dawn could be in more episodes than May, depending on when they finish Diamond and Pearl. Dawn will also be in the same amount of movies as May, which was four, while Misty was in the first five movies. Still, she's had a good amount of focus and I wouldn't be surprised if she was replaced with the new female trainer.

I actually wouldn't mind Contests returning. I honestly don't see why they would suddenly get rid of them when they've been an important part of the series for eight years. As long as the new female coordinator is interesting, trains a nice balance of cute and strong Pokemon and/or have interesting rivals, I'll be fine with her. I doubt that they'll have a male coordinator on the main cast since the Contests are there to appeal to the female demographic.

As for Paul returning for the fifth generation, I do like the idea of the writers continuing his rivalry between Ash. I'm not really sure how they'll handle that, but I guess it depends on what happens in the Sinnoh League. I seriously doubt Paul could travel with Ash. They would have to actually make him friendly with Ash, which would make him less interesting, and he wouldn't be going after the same goal as Ash since seeing the same challenge to the Gyms twice would be boring. I think that there's a better chance of Paul traveling in the new region than Paul traveling with Ash.
 
One thing I liked about Advanced was there was a 4th traveling companion (even if some people hated Max, 4 characters offered a bit more interesting dynamic in my eyes, and the episodes with Lyra and Khoury had that dynamic as well.) So having two new companions would also be nice.

I also like the idea of the 5th girl being more rebellious/tough to offer a nice contrast to Dawn, or having a member travel with them (maybe Paul, but probably not) who's more tough/rebellious. It's something we haven't had yet and could freshen things up.
 
One thing I liked about Advanced was there was a 4th traveling companion

In retrospect, I liked the concept myself, but still hated Max. I thought it worked much better when Lyra and Khoury entered the scene, and when Brock got the shaft. Also, looking back on it, I think Lyra and Khoury being on the team might have been another way of testing the grounds of doing the 4 team dynamic again, except you make the 4th wheel someone you can relate to, and interesting.
 
One thing I liked about Advanced was there was a 4th traveling companion (even if some people hated Max, 4 characters offered a bit more interesting dynamic in my eyes, and the episodes with Lyra and Khoury had that dynamic as well.) So having two new companions would also be nice.

I also like the idea of the 5th girl being more rebellious/tough to offer a nice contrast to Dawn, or having a member travel with them (maybe Paul, but probably not) who's more tough/rebellious. It's something we haven't had yet and could freshen things up.

Maybe the male and female playable characters in the game can be the third and fourth members of the group.

If it just another girl, I would like for them to clearly established that she is younger than Ash, and have Ash be more of a mentor / big brother, which would eleminate Brock's usefulness. May and Dawn when they started, they don't look 10 to me. And have Ash age a bit.

I was watching a rerun from Jhoto the other day on Boomerang, and they had a character of the week (she did return in an episode the following seasons) named Cassey. She was tomboyish, and tough. But clearly younger than Ash, so Ash could be more of a mentor of big brother to this type of character. That is the type of girl would be perfect for the new female lead.

Actully when think of a rebellish / tough female protagonist, one character that always comes to mind is Ruki from Digimon Tamers. She was as tough as nails on the outside even ruthless, though she had a valnueable kind side on the inside, and sometimes even willing to play dirty, and she played perfectly off goody goody Takato. Ash is a goody goody, and someone to challenge his goody goody ways would be interesting.

In her own ways, Misty was kind of rebellish, she did rebell against her family, and when she was there challenged Ash more than the other girls.

What I would love is when the new character(s) meet Team Rocket for the first time, and this will probably happen before they meet Ash, is right when Team Rocket begins their motto, she or they have their Pokemon attack and sent Team Rocket blasting off before they can finish their blabbing. That would make an instant statement that these characters play by a different set of rules.
 
I would love to see a tough girl on Pokemon. It'd make things way more interesting. Zoe from Dinosaur King was one good example. The problem is that, it's Pokemon. Misty was good example.
 
Regarding Max I enjoyed him in Hoenn, but not in Battle Frontier. In Hoenn he had quite a number of episodes, and he used to make fun of Ash and argue with his sister. Granted he did become useless as time went on, but you can't say the writers didn't give him some eps, as well as the 6th movie.

May and Dawn when they started, they don't look 10 to me. And have Ash age a bit.

That's done for fanservice reasons. The writers believe that if a female character took screentime away from Ash, (Contests get a LOT of screentime in the show), then little boys would lose interest, because they want to see Ash battle.

However they made them look the way they did, (May has breasts, Dawn has a tiny skirt and wears princess dresses), it makes little kids like the way they look and thus they're interesting in watching them.

Also the idea that Contests are more shoujo and aimed at girls, is why May and Dawn's personalities were more girlish. Misty fit in better when Pokemon was a shonen anime, all about Ash and that's why she had the typical temper of a shonen female.

The way I see it, I don't think the next female will be that much a departure from what they did with May or Dawn. Maybe less girly than Dawn, but I don't see them ever doing something similar to Misty again. Lyra/Kotone is another example of a personality I could imagine on the cast.
 
However they made them look the way they did, (May has breasts, Dawn has a tiny skirt and wears princess dresses), it makes little kids like the way they look and thus they're interesting in watching them.
Not to mention Dawn's cheerleader and maid outfits. They weren't even trying to be discreet in their otaku-appeal with those.
 
^ And her Grand Festival dress, which you can see in the previews.

Anyway, I think its best if Ash travels with new friends every generation. While I wish the show would end and Ash/TR be done with, that's sadly not happening.

The only thing that keeps the show fresh is the new characters. Since Dawn and her rivals are likely leaving, and so is Paul and Barry I gather, it seems like all the new DP characters are on their way out.

I hope Brock finally kicks the bucket. I actually think I got banned for 2 days on another forum for saying how Brock was useless. :sweat:
 
I would like see to Paul vs Gary in a full 6 on 6 poke'mon battle, before the series ends..
 
I think a good thing to replace Contests with would be the Pokeathlon from the HG/SS games.

The Pokemon equivalent of the Olympics. THAT would be pretty cool.
 
If they have a new lead girl, I hope she has some attitude, maybe even someone that not afraid to break a few rules.

You mean like Green from the "Pokemon Adventures" manga? I doubt the show would be able to correctly handle someone like her.

I thought the original cast had the best chemistry, and when I say the original cast I mean the whole cast including Team Rocket.

QFT. Back in the first series, Ash and Pikachu had a touching bond, Ash Misty and Brock had fun interactions, and Team Rocket gradually became more "friendly enemies" to the group. I just don't get any of that with the current show. Ash is a boring hero who's only interested in battles, Brock never has anything interesting to say to anyone, I cannot buy Ash and Brock being good friends with Dawn at all, and Team Rocket are just annoying bad guys now. :yawn:

Misty was not a foil for Ash, but also a foil for Team Rocket and especially Jessie. She has called Jessie an old lady, old hag, witch, etc. I find the Misty vs Jessie episodes more entertating than the contest tournaments in which May and Dawn competted against one of Jessie's alto ego.

Agreed. Probably because Misty and Jessie didn't feel the need to be coordinators. They were good rivals on their own. But of course, this was before the show decided that being a coordinator is all a major female character is good for, Jessie included. :sad:

One thing I liked about Advanced was there was a 4th traveling companion (even if some people hated Max, 4 characters offered a bit more interesting dynamic in my eyes

The thing about Max I'll always defend is that he gave May someone close to interact with. Currently it's just Ash, Brock, and Dawn and Dawn alone interacting with the bland Ash and Brock makes Dawn blander herself. May and Max's freshness could actually balance out Ash and Brocks' staleness while they were around.

Regarding Max I enjoyed him in Hoenn, but not in Battle Frontier. In Hoenn he had quite a number of episodes, and he used to make fun of Ash and argue with his sister. Granted he did become useless as time went on, but you can't say the writers didn't give him some eps, as well as the 6th movie.

Max got more and more useless as AG went on; Battle Frontier was when he just stopped being all that interesting. Shame, since there was potential in him back in his earliest episodes.

I was watching a rerun from Jhoto the other day on Boomerang, and they had a character of the week (she did return in an episode the following seasons) named Cassey. She was tomboyish, and tough. But clearly younger than Ash, so Ash could be more of a mentor of big brother to this type of character. That is the type of girl would be perfect for the new female lead.

I remember Casey. She was set up as one of the more "major" minor characters yet she never showed up at the Silver Conference. A similar character was there instead, filling the spot that had obviously been intended for Casey before she got dropped for some reason or other. One of the earlier examples of wasted potential the anime did.

The only thing that keeps the show fresh is the new characters. Since Dawn and her rivals are likely leaving, and so is Paul and Barry I gather, it seems like all the new DP characters are on their way out.

Correct on the new characters thing. Even though I haven't liked some of the new characters in Sinnoh (like Kenny or Paul or even Barry), they're much more worthwhile to me than the characters who've been here for ages and do the same ol, same ol. They "liven up a dead show" as I like to say. (Though none did so as much as Harley. I still miss him. :crying:)

I hope Brock finally kicks the bucket. I actually think I got banned for 2 days on another forum for saying how Brock was useless.
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Woah, you wish Brock were dead? And why should you have gotten banned for saying Brock was useless? That should be common knowledge! Why are there still so many people willing to defend Brock when he does nothing? :confused:
 
Technically I would have loved this to happen back in the day:

- Ash's story wrapped up at the end of Johto. Johto would be much better handled, with less filler, better handled Pokemon, and Misty/Brock would do more. Gary would appear more. Ash would win the Johto league, and beat the Kanto Elite 4, with Ash Vs. Lance being the series finale.

- AG would have been about Brendan and May, with Wally as the third character. May's story could have played out exactly the same way with her being a coordinator, while Brendan would do Gyms. I guess Max could be thrown in too, either way. Drew/Harley would still be May's rivals, with both Brendan and Drew having an off/on romance with May.

- DP would have been Lucas, Dawn and Barry traveling together. Same here, with Paul being Lucas' rival and Dawn's contests playing out the same.


^ That is exactly what should have happened. The original series fans would have gotten their ending, characters would never get "stale or useless," and each gen would follow a new cast. Ash would make "cameos" as a champion in the AG and DP series, and appear every so often to challenge the main character.

What a damn shame it didn't do that.
 
Technically I would have loved this to happen back in the day:

- Ash's story wrapped up at the end of Johto. Johto would be much better handled, with less filler, better handled Pokemon, and Misty/Brock would do more. Gary would appear more. Ash would win the Johto league, and beat the Kanto Elite 4, with Ash Vs. Lance being the series finale.

- AG would have been about Brendan and May, with Wally as the third character. May's story could have played out exactly the same way with her being a coordinator, while Brendan would do Gyms. I guess Max could be thrown in too, either way. Drew/Harley would still be May's rivals, with both Brendan and Drew having an off/on romance with May.

- DP would have been Lucas, Dawn and Barry traveling together. Same here, with Paul being Lucas' rival and Dawn's contests playing out the same.


^ That is exactly what should have happened. The original series fans would have gotten their ending, characters would never get "stale or useless," and each gen would follow a new cast. Ash would make "cameos" as a champion in the AG and DP series, and appear every so often to challenge the main character.

What a damn shame it didn't do that.
That's pretty much what Yu-Gi-Oh does. Yugi wasn't the star of GX or 5D's, but he (and other past characters) made cameos and were referenced. Though I think since Pokemon is much bigger it's more marketing focused so they don't want to ditch Ash and Pikachu as the poster children. Shame, it could have been really interesting doing it that way. I mean, my favorite characters in DP are Dawn, Barry, Paul, Zoey, and J, so they'd probably be the same as they are now.
 
Even though I haven't liked some of the new characters in Sinnoh (like Kenny or Paul or even Barry)

Oh come on now. Not liking Kenny is understandable, not liking Paul is starting to pick up steam, but not liking Barry? Either your sense of humor is broken or missing because Barry is the master of humor.

He also has like half my team so he gets cool points for that.
 
- Ash's story wrapped up at the end of Johto. Johto would be much better handled, with less filler, better handled Pokemon, and Misty/Brock would do more. Gary would appear more. Ash would win the Johto league, and beat the Kanto Elite 4, with Ash Vs. Lance being the series finale.

You forgot to mention that Team Rocket and Giovanni would get resolution, as would the GS BALL.

- AG would have been about Brendan and May, with Wally as the third character. May's story could have played out exactly the same way with her being a coordinator, while Brendan would do Gyms. I guess Max could be thrown in too, either way. Drew/Harley would still be May's rivals, with both Brendan and Drew having an off/on romance with May.

I've pictured something like this myself. In my vision though, May and Max are Birch's children rather than Norman's while Brendan is Norman's son, Drew would not come across as a Gary knock-off in his earliest appearances, and Brendan would sometimes do contests and compete against May for some reason or other. Oh, and Team Aqua and Magma would be major villains whose finale would last for about 5 episodes rather than two and would actually be GOOD as opposed to the drivel we got in the show.

- DP would have been Lucas, Dawn and Barry traveling together. Same here, with Paul being Lucas' rival and Dawn's contests playing out the same.

I'd say Dawn should be THE main character, Lucas and Barry be side-character friends/rivals, and I'm not sure about what Paul's place in it would be since his entire schtick seems to be "Ash's opposite". And again, Team Galactic would appear more and their resolution would be even better than what we got (which was already pretty awesome itself.)

^ That is exactly what should have happened. The original series fans would have gotten their ending, characters would never get "stale or useless," and each gen would follow a new cast. Ash would make "cameos" as a champion in the AG and DP series, and appear every so often to challenge the main character.

What a damn shame it didn't do that.

I feel the same, buddy. I feel the same.

Oh come on now. Not liking Kenny is understandable, not liking Paul is starting to pick up steam, but not liking Barry? Either your sense of humor is broken or missing because Barry is the master of humor.

He also has like half my team so he gets cool points for that.

I said EVEN Barry for a reason. I really do like his character from the games and even in the anime he's amusing and in-character. But I just don't like the way he's been handled in the show. Something just seems...off about him. Perhaps it's cause it seems the writers have made him into more of a loser in favor of Ash and Paul. Despite the fact that he's the actual D/P rival from the source material, which is why I think he should be used with more respect and not made out to be just some annoying Paul fanboy.

And why do you say not liking Kenny is understandable but not not liking Paul? I got the impression that Paul was meant to be disliked. :confused:
 
The thing about Barry is that he is a loser, even in the games. He's your rival that's as annoying and persistent as Gary, but not nearly as powerful or skilled. it's even made blatant in Platinum where he's the strongest trainer in-game but is still not allowed to enter the Battleground. Him idolizing Paul and being a complete goof make perfect sense.

As for Paul, I just personally find him to be refreshing. I don't think he's meant to be disliked as much as he is meant to be a stark contrast to the typical trainers you see on the show. His cruelty seems to be highly exaggerated among the fanbase.
 

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