Pokemon 5th Generation: What do you hope for next?

[CyberCubed]

I probably won't watch much of the 5th gen saga at first. Probably the beginning eps just to see what the new girl is like.

I don't know if I can make it through yet another 4-year and 200 episode saga.

I'll probably take a break from Pokemon

 

[Mad Mod 49]

Brock should leave.

I think (or I hope) that's something we all agree on.

Jessie/James/Meowth should quit Team Rocket and serve as recurring rivals, not necessarily appearing in every single episode.

Yes. Being thieves and trying to capture Pikachu for years has not worked out for them. Reinventing themselves and showing up less frequently would make them seem alot less annoying and pathetic.

Ash should take a backseat to Gen V girl and be more of a mentor.

No, aside from possibly the backseat part (seeing as he's still the lead character), this has already been done horribly with both May and Dawn. Ash should not be mentoring inexperienced newbie girls, he should let them grow on their own like he did. And he shouldn't even be in the show anymore. I'd take a whole new cast with no Ash over Ash as a backseat mentor.

More concise storyline, the Team Galactic arc in D/P was better than whatever they did in Advanced, but still.

Defenitely yes. 90% of the show these days are filler episodes where Team Rocket bothers Ash and the others, gym battle episodes where Team Rocket bothers them, and contest episodes where Team Rocket bothers them. More storylines with real villains like Team Galactic and Hunter J could do alot of good to the anime, but those stories are only the 10%.

Better animation.

The animation they have nows as good as it's gonna get, so I doubt they'll change it. Though I personally liked the cel-shaded style of animation they had back in mid-Johto the best. Too much digital animation can get boring.

If you mean "contribute" as in hoping for stuff that has zero chance of happening and continuously griping about whats already been set in stone, then I'm sorry but I have to decline your request.

"Griping" about this anime is better than just swallowing its' tripe like you seem to be doing. Just ask Cybercubed and the rest of us. We have every right and reason to express distates towards the show's many flaws and wasted potential. By calling us fandumb because we don't think and act like you do makes YOU seem more like fandumb here, not us.

But if you insist on calling us dumb, then the term you're looking for here is HATEdumb, not FANdumb. Not all of us are real fans of the anime, so the term of "fandumb" isn't really appropriate at all.

I probably won't watch much of the 5th gen saga at first. Probably the beginning eps just to see what the new girl is like.

I don't know if I can make it through yet another 4-year and 200 episode saga.

I'll probably take a break from Pokemon

You don't have to take a break from Pokemon; just the Pokemon anime. It'd be one of the wisest decisions you could ever make, Cybercubed. Trust me.

 

[Light Lucario]

I think (or I hope) that's something we all agree on.

Actually, I don't think that Brock should leave. I wouldn't be crushed if the writers do decide to replace him with another character, but I don't want him to leave. Even though he's a secondary character who doesn't have an active role like Ash and Dawn, I like him. He's pretty fun and he can be a funny character too. I think that he should have a bit more focus than he does currently, but I still like him.

Yes. Being thieves and trying to capture Pikachu for years has not worked out for them. Reinventing themselves and showing up less frequently would make them seem alot less annoying and pathetic.

While I agree that Team Rocket are better at being more like friends/supporters for Ash and his friends than being villains, I'm not sure if they'll really make them appear less frequently.

No, aside from possibly the backseat part (seeing as he's still the lead character), this has already been done horribly with both May and Dawn. Ash should not be mentoring inexperienced newbie girls, he should let them grow on their own like he did. And he shouldn't even be in the show anymore. I'd take a whole new cast with no Ash over Ash as a backseat mentor.

I don't think that Ash grew on his own. He had Misty and Brock helping him and offering advice, similar to his relationship with May and Dawn. He's already an experienced trainer, so I don't see it as strange for him to offer advice for new trainers. While I understand where you're coming from about preferring a new cast with no Ash, considering he's been here for thirteen years, I seriously doubt that they'll replace him anytime soon.

Defenitely yes. 90% of the show these days are filler episodes where Team Rocket bothers Ash and the others, gym battle episodes where Team Rocket bothers them, and contest episodes where Team Rocket bothers them. More storylines with real villains like Team Galactic and Hunter J could do alot of good to the anime, but those stories are only the 10%.

I'm not sure if ninety percent of the show are filler, gym battle and Contest episodes. There are a few other kind of episodes, like capture episodes, training, learning new moves and evolution episodes, that also count. I wouldn't mind seeing more episodes with villains like Team Galactic and Hunter J though. To be fair, if they did use them too often, it might have been too much and they could have lost their appeal. Plus, even though Team Galactic didn't show up that often, they did cover almost all of the important Team Galactic events from the Diamond and Pearl games into the series, so they did a fairly good adaptation of that part of the games.

"Griping" about this anime is better than just swallowing its' tripe like you seem to be doing. Just ask Cybercubed and the rest of us. We have every right and reason to express distates towards the show's many flaws and wasted potential. By calling us fandumb because we don't think and act like you do makes YOU seem more like fandumb here, not us.

I agree that everyone has the right to express their distaste for this show, or any show for that matter. I'm not sure if it is better than accepting the anime series though. It would be nice to see some more serious storylines with more intense villains, but I'm basically fine with how the series is. But that's just me. I usually understand where people are coming from with their dislikes and issues towards how the series works, even if I disagree with those opinions as well.

 

[RonDrakenfan17]

I probably won't watch much of the 5th gen saga at first. Probably the beginning eps just to see what the new girl is like.

I don't know if I can make it through yet another 4-year and 200 episode saga.

I'll probably take a break from Pokemon

I'll probaly watch, mean I like watching for Ash and his adventures any ways, not newbie girls and adventures in contests
I liked AG contests more than D/P ones out of them. I mean, it had far more intresting rivals that time around. I can only imagine what they'd do for the newbie girl now. Did you see that one appearnce charater? Looked like a girl version of Kenny Just knock out contests next time, bring in a new side quest for them. Ash would probaly take part in it a few at first like he did with contests. Ash always has to do new things right away, I like it

 

[Terror of Death]

"Griping" about this anime is better than just swallowing its' tripe like you seem to be doing. Just ask Cybercubed and the rest of us. We have every right and reason to express distates towards the show's many flaws and wasted potential. By calling us fandumb because we don't think and act like you do makes YOU seem more like fandumb here, not us.

But if you insist on calling us dumb, then the term you're looking for here is HATEdumb, not FANdumb. Not all of us are real fans of the anime, so the term of "fandumb" isn't really appropriate at all.

"The Old Timer: (Also known as "Methuselah") The Old Timer's been around since the beginning (or a very long time, anyway), and isn't going to let you forget it. They too have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, but this time it's based on how much time they've invested rather than money, or devotion. Because they?ve stuck with it over the years, they believe that they're far more important to the franchise than these kids and 'Johnny-come-latelys' who have only just arrived, and resent the show changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp Nostalgia Filter; the show is never as good as How It Used To Be, and any criticisms raised of the show at / before this point will be viciously rebuffed."

The Purist: a fan who has an idealised vision of what the show should be and isn't going to let anything or anyone affect or change that vision... not even the show itself. They tend to react to any changes made in the show's format with hostility and suspicion. Although often a fan who's been burned by Adaptation Decay or obvious merchandise pandering gone wrong, some just simply don't like change and respond to it with pram-shaking tantrums."

Based off of what I've been reading in this thread some of the posters seem to fall in these two categories, so yes, I think the term is quite appropriate.

But anyway to get my point all I'm saying is there's no use crying over spilled milk. You can complain till kingdom come about all the shows numerous faults, but it won't help. Ratings are good and merch continues to sell so the status quo stands. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you guys have to cease all forms of criticism or that your criticism is wrong but there comes a point when you have to realize certain stuff just aint happening no matter how much you want it to. The cast wont get personality changes, Ash isn't going to become a master, Brock and Team Rocket are staying, the story lines wont become considerably more mature or better written, filler is unavoidably, and The Theorem Of Narrow Interests will forever rule the day. If you cant accept that then its time to get out and never look back or continue being a masochist for a crappy show.

I'm a firm believer that discussion that involves pipe dreams and hate dont make for good threads but apparently I'm in the minority when it comes to this

 

[Mad Mod 49]

I'm a firm believer that discussion that involves pipe dreams and hate dont make for good threads but apparently I'm in the minority when it comes to this

Hate discussions don't make for good threads. Criticism and debates do, which is what I'd like to think we're doing on this thread. But if you're that against it, then it's no use even posting on this thread now is it?

 

[Terror of Death]

Hate discussions don't make for good threads. Criticism and debates do, which is what I'd like to think we're doing on this thread. But if you're that against it, then it's no use even posting on this thread now is it?

It seems more like beating a dead horse than actual good debate but what does a dumb fan like me know. Sorry for the intrusion.

 

[garfield15]

Why can't they animate Special.....It would solve so many issues people have with the main anime!

 

[CyberCubed]

Well the new advertisements in Japan confirm the DP trio is splitting up after DP ends in September. They text says, "This is the end of the three traveling together," and so forth.

I'm surprised they're telling us so early on Dawn is leaving, considering there will still be about 22ish eps of DP left. They kept May's departure a secret right up until the very end. I remember we didn't know May was leaving right until like the final 10 AG episodes.

I guess this time around the writers want people to know the main girl is leaving ahead of time, so there is no "shock and disappointment" like the way they kept Misty and May's departures a secret till near the end?

 

[Gokou Ruri]

I'm surprised they're telling us so early on Dawn is leaving, considering there will still be about 22ish eps of DP left. They kept May's departure a secret right up until the very end. I remember we didn't know May was leaving right until like the final 10 AG episodes.

I think it's because most people can already see the pattern of replacing the main girl, where as with May we didn't really know for sure what her deal was yet.

 

[RonDrakenfan17]

Well the new advertisements in Japan confirm the DP trio is splitting up after DP ends in September. They text says, "This is the end of the three traveling together," and so forth.

I'm surprised they're telling us so early on Dawn is leaving, considering there will still be about 22ish eps of DP left. They kept May's departure a secret right up until the very end. I remember we didn't know May was leaving right until like the final 10 AG episodes.

I guess this time around the writers want people to know the main girl is leaving ahead of time, so there is no "shock and disappointment" like the way they kept Misty and May's departures a secret till near the end?

Yah, as the person above me said.
We know the pattern, why keep it a secret nowXD
What I want to know is, will Brock really leave this time?
It said, he'd get a dream and what the future holds for him.
Either what the spoiler meant was that Brock does leave Ash this time and does his own thing. Or he gets a side quest while traveling with Ash.
Since they like to focouse on Ash and newbie girl so much, I'm assuming the first option. If what this person on another Pokemon forums is saying is true maybe it will be Ash/Fifth Generation Girl/Fifth Generation Boy.
If this does happen, this could very well be the next best series ever.
Finally, new start

 

[PC!]

Eh, Brock'll be back within 5 episodes.

 

[Antiyonder]

Now I do wonder if the region girl replacement is a routine that will continue for every season. I mean theoretically speaking should one ever gain a substancial fanbase with the target demograph, would said region girl remain a regular?

I mean Brock's departure for one was intended as a permanent change only to get reversed due to fan outcry.

Wobbuffet has remained with Team Rocket despite their other regional Pokemon being shown the door.

 

[KYO'NYUU IMOUTO]

Regular in what sense? Kasumi was the girl of the group for Pokémon, Haruka for Pokémon: Advance Generation, and Hikari for Pokémon: Diamond and Pearl. Being that each of those three series' are hundreds of episodes long...I'd say they count as regulars. The Black and White girl will be the regular for that series, too.

 

[Antiyonder]

Regular in what sense? Kasumi was the girl of the group for Pokémon, Haruka for Pokémon: Advance Generation, and Hikari for Pokémon: Diamond and Pearl. Being that each of those three series' are hundreds of episodes long...I'd say they count as regulars. The Black and White girl will be the regular for that series, too.

About the same sense as Ash, Pikachu, James, Jessie, Meowth and Brock (and if he leaves the main cast permanently, I'll even eat my Pokewalker) for the most part.


Also, before I forget to ask, I know that the upcoming movie will feature a 5th Generation Pokemon, but I'm surprised that the anime has had a severe lack of future generation Pokemon (to my knowledge).

I mean Kanto had Ho-Oh, Togepi, Donphan and Marill. Johto had Kechleon, Latios and Latias. Hoenn had Lucario, Munchlax and Bonsly. But unless I missed something, I don't recall any other G5 Pokemon showing up yet.

 

[CyberCubed]

From my observations in the Pokemon fandom, most people are sick of Brock and want him to leave. Most people actually wanted Brock gone way back when AG was airing, but he stayed for DP anyway.

Whether he'll go this time remains to be seen. In any case, Brock is nowhere near the popular character he once was in the early seasons.

10 years ago nobody wanted Brock to leave, now on the other hand people would be cheering if the writers got rid of him a second time.

 

[Mad Mod 49]

About the same sense as Ash, Pikachu, James, Jessie, Meowth and Brock (and if he leaves the main cast permanently, I'll even eat my Pokewalker) for the most part.


Also, before I forget to ask, I know that the upcoming movie will feature a 5th Generation Pokemon, but I'm surprised that the anime has had a severe lack of future generation Pokemon (to my knowledge).

I mean Kanto had Ho-Oh, Togepi, Donphan and Marill. Johto had Kechleon, Latios and Latias. Hoenn had Lucario, Munchlax and Bonsly. But unless I missed something, I don't recall any other G5 Pokemon showing up yet.

Details on Generation 5 in general (pokemon, region, towns, major characters, villains) are very vague right now. All we really know about "Black and White" are those Pokemon that will be featuring in the movie.

And with Black and White still in development with an unconfirmed release date and the D/P anime series being confirmed to end soon, I have to wonder; will we have another "Orange Islands" on our hands? Or is the end of the Pokemon anime truly drawing near?

Please let the latter be true. Please, please, PLEASE!

 

[KYO'NYUU IMOUTO]

About the same sense as Ash, Pikachu, James, Jessie, Meowth and Brock (and if he leaves the main cast permanently, I'll even eat my Pokewalker) for the most part.


Also, before I forget to ask, I know that the upcoming movie will feature a 5th Generation Pokemon, but I'm surprised that the anime has had a severe lack of future generation Pokemon (to my knowledge).

I mean Kanto had Ho-Oh, Togepi, Donphan and Marill. Johto had Kechleon, Latios and Latias. Hoenn had Lucario, Munchlax and Bonsly. But unless I missed something, I don't recall any other G5 Pokemon showing up yet.

I do not foresee such happening. The girl switching out is one of the few things that freshen up the series.

As for Takeshi...he'll only leave if money stops goin' to somebody's pocket.

 

[Light Lucario]

About the same sense as Ash, Pikachu, James, Jessie, Meowth and Brock (and if he leaves the main cast permanently, I'll even eat my Pokewalker) for the most part.


Also, before I forget to ask, I know that the upcoming movie will feature a 5th Generation Pokemon, but I'm surprised that the anime has had a severe lack of future generation Pokemon (to my knowledge).

I mean Kanto had Ho-Oh, Togepi, Donphan and Marill. Johto had Kechleon, Latios and Latias. Hoenn had Lucario, Munchlax and Bonsly. But unless I missed something, I don't recall any other G5 Pokemon showing up yet.

That's a good point about the lack of new Pokemon appearing in the series. We usually do have at one or two Pokemon appearing in the anime from new generation. I remember some people thinking that the fourth generation would be the last just because we didn't hear any news about a fifth generation for a long time. I think that it had to do with Nintendo not wanting to announce or throw hints about the new games a couple of years in advance. They have been announcing a lot of games within just a few months of their release, so that could have been the reason why we didn't see a fifth generation Pokemon.

From my observations in the Pokemon fandom, most people are sick of Brock and want him to leave. Most people actually wanted Brock gone way back when AG was airing, but he stayed for DP anyway.

Whether he'll go this time remains to be seen. In any case, Brock is nowhere near the popular character he once was in the early seasons.

10 years ago nobody wanted Brock to leave, now on the other hand people would be cheering if the writers got rid of him a second time.

I think that fandom that you're referring to are people talking on forums, who are also, more often than not, well beyond the target audience for the series to begin with. Unless we can understand Japanese, I don't think that we can say for sure how the target audience feels about Brock.

I actually would be a bit sad if Brock left. Sure, he isn't really that active in the group, but I like him anyway. My pleasure in the series doesn't decrease just because he's there. Plus, considering that they haven't replaced him since the Orange Island arc, I'm not so sure that they'll try for that again. I have read about the article that said Brock will see a dream or a goal for the future, but that's pretty vague. It could easily mean he's either staying with a sidequest or leaving for some Pokemon-related reason. It still could go either way judging by that statement, but I really doubt that they'll replace him.

 

[Nygma]

I agree that overall, the original freshness of the show ended after Orange Islands. Kanto and Orange are the only sagas where you can watch every single episode, even the bad ones, and still get some type of enjoyment out of it. They're the only two sagas worth watching from start to finish.

I guess the problem is now, its really only worth it to watch the most important or best eps of every saga, and skip the rest. And that bugs me because I shouldn't have to do that.

The thing is, find a show (or story in fiction, for that matter) that lasts as long as this one and tell me with a straight face that the same thing wouldn't apply?

Also I agree with Terror. CyberCubed, Mad Mod 49; if you guys hate what the show has become so much just stop watching, no one's making any of you guys watch it. If you guys hate the main characters so much, just stop watching!
You guys keep going on and on about how much the show has decayed (in your guys eyes' that is) like the amount of complaining you guys do is somehow going to improve the show (or at least make things better in your eyes')! IT'S NOT!
Try to enjoy something for what it is, or ditch it all together.

I'm not saying you guys aren't entitled to criticize something, it's just that your rants on how you don't like what the show is doing have really become tiresome.

I don't think the show is perfect (far from it), and I have a feeling a lot of the people that watch the show feel the same way. But it doesn't mean there aren't things on the show that I've found some level of enjoyment in. Paul is probably the freshest character the anime has had in years. Not so much because of how great a contrast he is to Ash, but he's the type of character that shows how there are cruel people in the world of pokemon that aren't necessarily very caring. The anime had been full of characters that are too goody goody over treating pokemon with care and respect, that Paul IMO was a breath of fresh air.

Speaking of Paul I'm hoping that he'll be in the 5th generation, because he's been too great a character (not to mention a great foil for Ash) to just dump after Sinnoh is done with.