Why does Nickelodeon handle their cartoons so poorly?

[GPRailroad8794]

Well of course they'd be obsessed with ratings..they obviously had a huge decline...and ended up losing their...what...17 year momentum?

So, are you saying the network has gotten worse? Or has improved ever so slightly?

If you didn't know, it's all about ratings ratings ratings. Those are one of the things that matter most to networks...

And he used Ren & Stimpy as an example of how Nick treats their animation like crap. I don't agree with that statement because you can't use a show from the 90's...and then judge the network TODAY for a decision/choice they made YEARS ago because...like I said before...they obviously had different management, rules, etc.

and sorry...but I don't see TUFF coming back on the network ANYTIME soon.

No network is perfect...

I understand some people's frustration, because for years I was pissed off at Nickelodeon, for many of the things you all stated in your posts, but I can see that they are trying, something it looks like they haven't been doing in any of their departments for years, and that has led to an improve at the network in many things.

I mean that ever since the 90s they have gotten worse but ever since this year has begun, they've improved a little, if that makes sense.

The reason Nick hit a ratings slump is because of their ratings obsession. They 've been spamming Spongebob since at least 2007 and it wasnt till 2011 where that tactic bit them in the butt when ratings decreased. Even then, they haven't calmed down with Spongebob until this year. Even when Nick was on top, their scheduling was still horrible so you can't really say the constant reruns were a defense mechanism for the ratings slump when they've been doing it at least 4 years before viewership started declining in the first place.

 

[J21697]

I mean that ever since the 90s they have gotten worse but ever since this year has begun, they've improved a little, if that makes sense.

The reason Nick hit a ratings slump is because of their ratings obsession. They 've been spamming Spongebob since at least 2007 and it wasnt till 2011 where that tactic bit them in the butt when ratings decreased. Even then, they haven't calmed down with Spongebob until this year. Even when Nick was on top, their scheduling was still horrible so you can't really say the constant reruns were a defense mechanism for the ratings slump when they've been doing it at least 4 years before viewership started declining in the first place.

It wasn't only Spongebob though...it was lack of promotion, lazy scheduling, inconsistent time slots, poor management, long dry spells for many of its shows..

 

[ILDC]

It wasn't only Spongebob though...it was lack of promotion, lazy scheduling, inconsistent time slots, poor management, long dry spells for many of its shows..

And lot of the shows were lame IMO.

 

[J21697]

The only shows I CURRENTLY watch on the network is Sam & Cat and Sanjay & Craig.

 

[rockorockorocko]

I think the summary is yes, Nick has made some horrible decisions since 2007 that eventually led to it's collapse, but since the second half of 2012, Nick has shown they are trying to improve their handling of they shows, as well as the quality overall. Nick has ways to go to get back on top, but they are heading in the right direction - whether you view it as leaps and bounds or small steps.

You'd hope they don't shift gears for the worst, but ever since September 2012, things have gotten better and ratings and reception has benefitted.

 

[Scirel]

I love the fact that there is a spongebob episode about the over-commercialization and saturation of spongebob. NIckelodeon is pretty much Mr. Krabs.

 

[hobbyfan]

Nick has had issues with programming since the 90s.

I can recall a time not so long ago where they shoved Fairly Oddparents down the viewers throats with blocks that seemed to go on forever on Saturdays. Yes, it's ratings-driven, but they've had the same problem with a lack of diversity in programming for more than 2 decades. They engaged in last-second schedule changes like their corporate siblings, overmilking the hottest programs to the point of nauseum.

In re.: Ren & Stimpy: Kricfalusi had a falling out with Viacom over content, and it wasn't because of soccer moms or anything like that. R & S was marketed as a kids show, and it was really anything but. 10 years ago, Spike tried a revival of the series in late night, and that bombed. Go figure.

 

[ILDC]

Nick has had issues with programming since the 90s.

I can recall a time not so long ago where they shoved Fairly Oddparents down the viewers throats with blocks that seemed to go on forever on Saturdays. Yes, it's ratings-driven, but they've had the same problem with a lack of diversity in programming for more than 2 decades. They engaged in last-second schedule changes like their corporate siblings, overmilking the hottest programs to the point of nauseum.

In re.: Ren & Stimpy: Kricfalusi had a falling out with Viacom over content, and it wasn't because of soccer moms or anything like that. R & S was marketed as a kids show, and it was really anything but. 10 years ago, Spike tried a revival of the series in late night, and that bombed. Go figure.

I thought John K. in general is just difficult to work with, never completing episodes on schedule among other things.

 

[ToonJay723]

I know. They didn't give Butch Hartman creative freedom on season 3 of Danny Phantom, and they aired those episode out of order.

They cancelled Jimmy Neutron and T.U.F.F. Puppy for no reason

They stopped airing Avatar in November of 2007, and they didn't air a single episode until July 2008, where they burned off the remaining episodes, and taking forever to air Book 2 of the Legend of Korra.

Need needs to get their act together.

 

[GPRailroad8794]

It wasn't only Spongebob though...it was lack of promotion, lazy scheduling, inconsistent time slots, poor management, long dry spells for many of its shows..

Exactly.

All that and the fact that almost every other show they had sucked.

 

[J21697]

In quality? If you're talking about quality, well then that's your opinion. Every scripted show has at least 1 fan. While I agree with you, if horrible shows on Disney could manage to pull great ratings, so can horrible shows on Nick? Am I right? Now I expect someone to reply back with a "yeah but Disney doesn't shuffle their shows time slots, or have long dry spells, or knows how to promote". Those are the few things that Nick did the opposite of a few years ago, and it got them into a mess.

 

[ILDC]

Disney doesn't shuffle their shows time slots, or have long dry spells, or knows how to promote

Tee hee.

 

[MatthiasofRedwal]

Nickelodeon handles 3rd party content poorly

the new episodes of Max & Ruby will never air here because Nick is dooming the show in rerun hell despite the new episodes were aired on Treehouse (a canadian kids channel run by Nelvana's parent company, Corus Entertainment)

 

[Kuromi_Star]

Nickelodeon handles 3rd party content poorly

the new episodes of Max & Ruby will never air here because Nick is dooming the show in rerun hell despite the new episodes were aired on Treehouse (a canadian kids channel run by Nelvana's parent company, Corus Entertainment)

This is probably more about Nick Jr being paired down on Nick proper and flourishing on its own network, even without much wrapping and perpetual reruns. For the regular stuff though, I think Nick is biding their time. Shows like MM and MvA are hanging around because what else are they going to air? I have no idea what they are thinking regarding TUFF or RaM, the former solid when it wants to be, and the latter a total waste of potential on Nick's part, and they seem to just want shows like Penguins and KFP to disappear into the abyss.

 

[JusticeLeaguer]

I know. They didn't give Butch Hartman creative freedom on season 3 of Danny Phantom, and they aired those episode out of order.

They cancelled Jimmy Neutron and T.U.F.F. Puppy for no reason

They stopped airing Avatar in November of 2007, and they didn't air a single episode until July 2008, where they burned off the remaining episodes, and taking forever to air Book 2 of the Legend of Korra.

Need needs to get their act together.

The only one of these that I'm going to touch is Avatar/Korra. While you're correct there was a long stretch you have to remember that A) the writer's strike happened that same fall and all the networks shuffled things around and B) there was no real need for Nick to air the new episodes sooner because they knew that Avatar was ending. What they did was wait until the summer so that they could air all of the final episodes and go out with a bang.

As for Korra, the long wait sucks but was also kind of necessary. Korra was never supposed to air in April of 2012 but Nick rushed it to air because they needed something new on the channel. While it was surely a success, it also meant that it was gonna be a longer wait until new episodes. They should be here come fall.

 

[ToonJay723]

The only one of these that I'm going to touch is Avatar/Korra. While you're correct there was a long stretch you have to remember that A) the writer's strike happened that same fall and all the networks shuffled things around and B) there was no real need for Nick to air the new episodes sooner because they knew that Avatar was ending. What they did was wait until the summer so that they could air all of the final episodes and go out with a bang.

As for Korra, the long wait sucks but was also kind of necessary. Korra was never supposed to air in April of 2012 but Nick rushed it to air because they needed something new on the channel. While it was surely a success, it also meant that it was gonna be a longer wait until new episodes. They should be here come fall.

The writers strike had no effect on Nick delaying part 2 of Book 3. Avatar is an animated show, it takes nearly 10 months to make an episode, and since Book 3 started airing before the writers strike, all the episodes were made before then, and further proof is that part 2 aired in Canada and some other countries long before the US.
Also, if Nick treated it with respect, they would wait seven months and then just air the remaining episodes in a row. It was pretty clear that they wanted to get rid of it

 

[JusticeLeaguer]

The writers strike had no effect on Nick delaying part 2 of Book 3. Avatar is an animated show, it takes nearly 10 months to make an episode, and since Book 3 started airing before the writers strike, all the episodes were made before then, and further proof is that part 2 aired in Canada and some other countries long before the US.
Also, if Nick treated it with respect, they would wait seven months and then just air the remaining episodes in a row. It was pretty clear that they wanted to get rid of it

I didn't say that the strike had an effect on Avatar's production (because it didn't) but that it had an effect on Nickelodeon's scheduling which it obviously did because every network shuffled shows around during that time period. And it wasn't a matter of "getting rid of" Avatar because season three was clearly intended to be the last. I think Nick treated Avatar with tons of respect but I digress.

 

[Justy]

I know. They didn't give Butch Hartman creative freedom on season 3 of Danny Phantom, and they aired those episode out of order.

Nick/Nicktoons has NEVER aired Danny Phantom in production/chronological order.

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[ToonJay723]

I didn't say that the strike had an effect on Avatar's production (because it didn't) but that it had an effect on Nickelodeon's scheduling which it obviously did because every network shuffled shows around during that time period. And it wasn't a matter of "getting rid of" Avatar because season three was clearly intended to be the last. I think Nick treated Avatar with tons of respect but I digress.

Networks changed their schedule, because shows were still in production while the strike was happening, and needed to delay them so when the strike is over they can film and air more episodes. Book 3 of Avatar was finished before the strike, so there was NO reason for the delay.

 

[dth1971]

Does this include the due to return in August for at least a week on Nickelodeon T.U.F.F. Puppy?