C&C - Toonami Talkback [4/1]

I know someone has probably asked, but...

WHERE ARE THE RATINGS?????????????????

:D

Erm... possibly tomorrow? It's hard to tell. Especially since half the block was after the 3am cutoff point...

The figure "1.5million" has been thrown around. But take it with a pinch of salt.
 
I hope the ratings blow anything that's usually on Adult Swim out of the water! :D
 
I justed asked Son of the Bronx about them but he may not be able to get full details.
 
I wouldn't say that Twitter trends are good gauges for tv ratings. We all know teh interwebz is just one giant echo chamber.
 
dose any think adult swim acknowlege what it did on saturday u know like have tht black screen and white words and be like ur welcome for toonami we got huge rations or some thing? and also do u think it will be on adultswim sometime this year . As for me i dont think thell say anything but i do expect toonami sometime in may:tom:
 
You know what to do.

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We might have to reopen the Toonami forum. :D
I can't..I can't believe this is real.
 
This was an amazing six hours. While it would have been cool enough just to have the Toonami bumps airing instead of the Adult Swim bumps, the amazing part was how they really went the extra mile.

Newly recorded TOM dialogue from Steve Blum all night long, new full length game review, new short intros for every show, new commercial break clips for every show, new (or perhaps some previously lost test animation?) Sara footage, Dreams in HD, episode specific promo for next week's Bleach, etc.

Packaging is only half of it though. They could have just put the Toonami packaging around Adult Swim Action's collection of excellent (although in many cases rerun to death) shows. Instead we had an almost all new lineup (and I definitely have no complaints about new Bleach). Respect has to go out to not only whoever on the Toonami side was behind this, but also Bandai, Right Stuf, and especially Funimation, for making this happen. Also, in regards to the first two hours post-Bleach, didn't DBZ, Gundam Wing, Tenchi, and Outlaw Star all air together in the same Toonami line-up for awhile? (Perhaps with Batman and Sailor Moon?)

I don't know if most of the Bandai episodes were brand new tapes, or just tapes Cartoon Network had in the vault (I guess they must keep tapes of old shows just in case they ever need them again, even if they lose the rights), but Big O at least seemed a little different. If I remember correctly, the old Toonami runs of Big O had "Cast in the name of good" instead of "cast in the name of god".

Blue Sub No. 6 was an inspired choice for the line up as well. It was so short that it probably isn't well remembered, but it really spoke to Toonami's willingness at the time to try out different things.

I found Funimation's contributions to the block to be especially interesting. After the well chosen DBZ episode, Tenchi Muyo! really through me for a loop. I was expecting something from one of the first two excellent OAVs, and while the third OAV doesn't live up to the others (I got bored after the first couple episodes of OAV3 and never saw the rest), it was really the only opportunity to premiere something brand new, considering the line-up. I can't say the episode itself wasn't confusing, but it was interesting, and overall I appreciated the new episode surprise. Plus, it was a throwback to Toonami's willingness to throw the half-hour time constraint out the window.

Yu Yu Hakusho was much appreciated, and while I don't really have much of a complaint about the techniques used to make the various shows fit 16x9 televisions (unlike some other cable networks), it was great to see YYH in its original aspect ratio, and I think it may have even been in HD! Trigun must have been a new tape from Funimation as well. While I was pretty sleepy by that point, I think I saw some Funimation people listed at the very end of Trigun's credits.

Considering Funimation's involvement in this event, the one show that I am kind of surprised did not show up was One Piece. I had also hoped to see some of the other interstitials besides Dreams (especially Mad Rhetoric), but it made sense once I realized that all the clips in dreams were from shows airing that night.

I hope this was successful for not only CN/AS, but for Funimation, Bandai, and Adult Swim as well. "Give us free/cheap stuff to air and we will promote your DVDs" would be a nice business model if it works.

Hopefully Clyde 53's shooting Toonami out of their butts can once again become a weekly (or even daily) event!
 
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I don't know if most of the Bandai episodes were brand new tapes, or just tapes Cartoon Network had in the vault (I guess they must keep tapes of old shows just in case they ever need them again, even if they lose the rights), but Big O at least seemed a little different. If I remember correctly, the old Toonami runs of Big O had "Cast in the name of good" instead of "cast in the name of god".

They were tapes that CN had in the vault. In the case of Big O, its true that the edited version had "Cast in the name of good" tagline, but when AS ordered the second season, the first season aired on AS uncut.
 
I tweeted that hashtag.

Repeatedly.
 
This is the schedule that was aired tonight

12:00
:30 Secs of the Room LOL
12:01
Bleach
12:30
DBZ
1:00
Gundam Wing
1:30
Tenchi Muyo
2:10
Outlaw Star
2:40
Big O (Season 1)
3:10
Yu Yu Hakusho
3:45
Blue Sub 6
4:20
Trigun
4:55
Astro Boy
5:25
Gigantor

Pretty Sweet! Would have asked for OG Thundercats but that already aired before the premiere of the new Thunder Cats!:tom:

Anywhere to see the bumpers that aired or Gundam Wing? I fell asleep after DBZ. Also, what was Blue Submarine?
 
GWOtaku said:
You know what to do.

Retweet, hash tag, e-mail and even more importantly SNAIL MAIL.

We are finally the target demographic again. We can make this a reality.
 
Bring Back Toonami made the top of the default reddit front page and has it's own very active subreddit now. That's a very good sign, because it shows it's not just specialty sites like us going crazy for a Toonami rebirth. It clearly touched the hearts of kids, teens and adults throughout the United States, even more casual fans. This could just come together if the internet doesn't forget about it in a week.
 
I guess this means I should make a twitter account huh?
 
Retweet, hash tag, e-mail and even more importantly SNAIL MAIL.

We are finally the target demographic again. We can make this a reality.

If anyone's planning to snail mail, include fanart (you can trace if you want).

They can easily skim read how much you want Toonami back. Stuff like fanart will leave a bigger impact.

Also, check this place out: http://www.reddit.com/r/BringBackToonami/
 
Here's a few disjointed thoughts about what Toonami meant to me, the state of anime on AS, and the possible return of Toonami and what shape that should take.

... and if you don't care about what I have to say, well, they brought it up!

For me the prime Toonami period was 2000 and 2001. We all came for DBZ, which everyone my age watched (and it was so addictive), but we stayed for the shows that were a bit more sophisticated. Outlaw Star, Tenchi, Big O, Mobile Suit Gundam, and 08th MS Team were my favorites. Then Adult Swim premiered and I sorta stopped watching Toonami. I'd check in occasionally, but DBZ had lost it's appeal to me (when Dragon Ball began airing I realized that it was actually a far superior show!), and the shows on AS seemed more like a progression of the Toonami I liked anyway: Cowboy Bebop, then Trigun, then FLCL, then new Big O, then Ghost in the Shell, then Eva, then Eureka Seven... E7 was the last action show on AS I really liked. FMA, in all it's forms, was pretty good, and for a while has been the best currently airing new thing in AS' anime department, but personally it didn't inspire the kind of love those other shows I mentioned did.

What I'm trying to say in all this rambling ramble is that for me, for a few years, I made no distinction between Toonami and AS. It was a progression. The stuff I liked continued from the one to the other and the more juvenile (don't take it as an insult if you're a fan of those shows, I'm talking obvious target demographics) stuff stayed on Toonami.

Which brings us to today: AS has gone more juvenile in it's anime acquisitions with Bleach and some other shows reflecting the shonen aspect of Toonami (reflected in their DBZ > YYH > Naruto lineage). Late at night they are showing reruns of great shows like Cowboy Bebop and GITS. Another elephant in the room: the mid to late '90s through early '00s were just a better time for anime. There was a bigger pool of strong shows then there is now, with pretty much everyone into anime admitting to problems in the industry and that the art form is in a rut. Personally, over the last five years or so I've wandered if I had just grown out of anime. Nothing I saw piqued my interest, but last year I saw Gurren Lagann and re watched Trigun and Eureka Seven and immensely enjoyed all three. I knew I could still like anime, but the shows that were airing just weren't interesting me.

And we get to the finale thingamajig: what form Toonami should take if it comes back. I don't think it should just be a rerun of all old programming, because Toonami and AS were never like that. It would be like a zombie Toonami, shambling on, powered by nostalgia. Also, you can't just dream up a perfect schedule because this is a business and there's a limited budget to work with, so here goes my pitch for a plausible but cool Toonami relaunch within the AS block:

Always have three new shows (occasionally two when between new acquisitions, but three should be the goal). Bleach is a mainstay at this point, I don't care for it personally, but it brings the shonen element that has been a part of the mix since Toonami and some anime fans love that stuff. When Bleach ends (it is ending?) replace it with a show targeted at a similar demographic. Then for the second show I volunteer Panty and Stocking (I really liked Gurren Lagann) and for the third show... um, I don't know. But I think three new shows is a goodly amount.

An hour of classic Toonami reruns. Say, start out with uncut Outlaw Star and Gundam Wing. It brings the nostalgia and shows strong shows to a possible new generation. When these shows complete their runs they move out of this block and join...

Late night reruns. This lasts for two hours. Keep Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Big O, FMA, and FLCL on the roster. When shows in the fresh Toonami rerun hour run their course they join this group of shows which are all periodically reran and shuffled in and out of the lineup.


... so, that results in about 4 and a half hours of stuff... oh, I suppose you rerun the new stuff at the end. That makes for 6 hours! Viola!

Anyway, just spit balling! Here's a Bugs emoticon to show me out:

:bugs1:
 
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For me, this is still one of Toonami's best line-ups:
[video=youtube;op8M97Pbh3c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op8M97Pbh3c[/video]
It's not the most old school ever, but it's still awesome.
 
Always have three new shows (occasionally two when between new acquisitions, but three should be the goal). Bleach is a mainstay at this point, I don't care for it personally, but it brings the shonen element that has been a part of the mix since Toonami and some anime fans love that stuff. When Bleach ends (it is ending?) replace it with a show targeted at a similar demographic. Then for the second show I volunteer Panty and Stocking (I really liked Gurren Lagann) and for the third show... um, I don't know. But I think three new shows is a goodly amount.

Yeah, absolutely this. Had a conversation with Sketch about this, three is indeed the magic number.

Here's my Elsewhere post which I haven't gotten any feedback on, but some people may be interested: http://hereiselsewhere.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=schedules&action=display&thread=4&page=22
 

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