Young Justice "Coldhearted" Talkback (Spoilers)

[Dorko]

Who was it that took down the Ice Fortress with Superman it sounded like the reporter said Doctor Fate is he now considered a member of the League since Misplaced?

I replayed it a few times, my sister and I both heard Doctor Fate. Sounds like he's still with the League.

 

[Bobbywoodhogan]

A superb episode, really enjoyed seeing Kid Flash get the focus for the full episode too.

 

[BigFatHairyDeal]

Why is the closest available heart for a girl in Seattle all the way in Boston??

Matching a recipient with a suitable donor is a tough task. It's unfortunately common for people to end up dying while on the organ waiting list.

I enjoyed the episode. It's important to remember that not every episode has to be the most grand or epic ever. The episode had a lot of well-done subtle details, like the newspaper Wally's dad was reading, and the way it totally baited us to believe Wally would take the blade as his souvenir.

 

[Marvelman02]

Is it just me or did Artemis seem kind of mean during Wally's birthday? She seemed to enjoy hurting his feeling by telling him about M'Gann and Connor.

 

[ArgentDandelion]

This is an excellent episode. Kid Flash has the perfect birthday, (partly as a consequence of the villains' attack---I like it when villains' plans affect the protagonists' personal lives) and his teammates are all nice to him. Perhaps they felt awkward about it, (Flash, Robin, and Aqualad did not seem to be enjoying themselves) but they did care.

Explosions are not required to have a great, threatening supervillain/costumed crime-doer; Count Vertigo clearly has no (abstract) heart.

I agree in that it might have had more emotional impact if Queen Perdita died, but I guess the writers did not want to ruin Kid Flash's birthday by permanently marring it with guilt. Besides, I like shows that do not become too dark. It can become dark, threatening and painful, but there's always some hope and positiveness.

As for why Queen Perdita recovered so quickly---well, she's a queen. As a queen, she or her court associates probably had a large amount of money. (this probably explains why she was able to receive the heart in the first place---in real life, the waiting list for a heart is long; most people in need of a heart donation die before they receive it. It might have been some extra medical inconvenience or trouble to have a heart transported all the way from Boston to Seattle by a teenaged superhero with no medical license, but if she had enough money, she could probably smooth it over with the doctors involved.) She could have underwent special or expensive operations or took also special and expensive painkillers to speed recovery.

Besides, it's not like she was running and jumping. She was in her hospital bed, and able to sit up and talk, but there's no evidence that she was able to do aerobic exercise at that point.

Perdita: As we agreed, Uncle, I have become Queen.

Vertigo: And I am in prison, eating slop, just as I wanted all along!

Savage: And now the substandard dietary conditions of the United States prison system shall finally be brought into the Light!

Hilarious.

 

[FireWarrior]

Even though this was a Kid Flash episode I can't help but feel that it was also some sort of sequel to the Green Arrow DC Showcase short. Ranging from Steven Blum reprising his role as Count Vertigo, to that mysterious thug who psyched out Wally who happened to also looked extremely similar to the thug that Green Arrow had a tussle with on the conveyor belt, to the 10 year old girl who's royal lineage Vertigo is after.

 

[RoryWilliams]

Perdita even had the same voice actress. The girl from Modern Family.

 

[Dorko]

Is it just me or did Artemis seem kind of mean during Wally's birthday? She seemed to enjoy hurting his feeling by telling him about M'Gann and Connor.

I think it was more she enjoyed brining him down a peg. Plus, there's the fact that she's been implied to like him and he was all but salivating over the one girl on the team who isn't single.

 

[Gold Guy]

I liked this episode. I'm not a Kid Flash episode, but I was rooting for him. Vandal Savage felt a bit useless though.

 

[r0derix]

Matching a recipient with a suitable donor is a tough task. It's unfortunately common for people to end up dying while on the organ waiting list.

Ahh, makes a ton of sense. And for a queen they probably took the first available heart.

 

[horrorbusiness]

I could be wrong but...

The same thug that told Kid Flash Perdita had died is the same exact thug that fights Green Arrow on the conveyer belts in the animated Green Arrow short


at least the character designs looked similar

 

[young101]

Episode was great. Its nice to have episodes showcasing just one character and it was great opportunity to show more of kid flash's humor. If I were to nitpick though...

You would think that vandal savage would be able to hire goons to stall KF considering he is the head of the light. Also, Count vertigo would go to all the trouble of getting those ice fortresses up but wouldn't it be easier to hold the hospital hostage or just set up some attack in the hospital that would delay the operation. And it just seemed a bit odd that just because it was the parking level, goons were everywhere but once the heart got to the doctors, everything was ok? So the goons couldn't come up to the upper floors? And if count vertigo was smart enough to plant a fake doctor in front of the hospital, you would think he could get plant someone to be part of the operation team. And urggg...batman.... You seriously got to be more suspiscious of people. You're the detective after all. Letting superboy join the team while suspecting he may be a mole and now not even suspecting hugo strange in this episode. I expected even a suspicous look or glare from batman when strange states the ice villains have remained in their cells.

Not that I'm holding these things against the episode though because I did enjoy it anyway.

 

[RoryWilliams]

You would think that vandal savage would be able to hire goons to stall KF considering he is the head of the light. Also, Count vertigo would go to all the trouble of getting those ice fortresses up but wouldn't it be easier to hold the hospital hostage or just set up some attack in the hospital that would delay the operation. And it just seemed a bit odd that just because it was the parking level, goons were everywhere but once the heart got to the doctors, everything was ok? So the goons couldn't come up to the upper floors? And if count vertigo was smart enough to plant a fake doctor in front of the hospital, you would think he could get plant someone to be part of the operation team. And urggg...batman.... You seriously got to be more suspiscious of people. You're the detective after all. Letting superboy join the team while suspecting he may be a mole and now not even suspecting hugo strange in this episode. I expected even a suspicous look or glare from batman when strange states the ice villains have remained in their cells.

I guess it depends though. Surely a fake surgeon standing with the other doctors on the surgical team would arouse a bit of suspicion. Someone would likely do a "Guys, who the heck is that?" or "Did anyone see what happened to Doctor Brown?" or something if they took out and replaced one surgeon but not the others.

 

[Yojimbo]

I continue to like how subtly it's played on the show and comics but I like how Rudy and Mary West are totally used to their son being Kid Flash - in this case, just watching the news nonchalantly and Mary worrying about dinner. Also, they must live next to a Costco or a Sam's Club given all the food Wally eats.

 

[Monte]

You would think that vandal savage would be able to hire goons to stall KF considering he is the head of the light.

True, there are plenty of supervillians the light could have deployed to delay the delivery... But then they might have been taking into account that the light may not know who was making the delivery. The one who interfered would have to be someone who could not just delay wally, but could delay the flash. The flash might have ignored any other super villian, but even he might stop if it were vandal savage of all people; so even name recognition might have counted for something

Also, Count vertigo would go to all the trouble of getting those ice fortresses up but wouldn't it be easier to hold the hospital hostage or just set up some attack in the hospital that would delay the operation.

Well you have to remember who they are dealing with; the Justice League. Part of the purpose of those fortresses was to keep the league busy; if they were not there, the queen might have had superman watching to make sure the procedure went well

Another point to make was the fact that vertigo wanted to do what he could to keep his hands clean and the best way to do that would be to try and manipulate events so that the queen would die of natural causes. Hence the fortresses were meant to delay the heart transplant... without them the league would have been able to just zeta tube the heart to the other side of the country

And it just seemed a bit odd that just because it was the parking level, goons were everywhere but once the heart got to the doctors, everything was ok? So the goons couldn't come up to the upper floors?

Ya true... one thing that might have helped would have been more noticeable presence of guards and police, thus we could assume they did not charge inside because the queen was heavily guarded

And if count vertigo was smart enough to plant a fake doctor in front of the hospital, you would think he could get plant someone to be part of the operation team.

Well their is a difference between planting some random guy in front of the hospital and trying to plant one amongst a team of doctors. The team of doctors are gonna be familiar enough with one another and their staff to know when their is a stranger amongst them... but one doctor standing out front by himself might go unnoticed by most and Kid flash himself would never recognize a fake.

 

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Vandal Savage felt a bit useless though.

Kinda, but at least he attempted to repay the favor he owed to Vertigo. Not to mention why pass up the opportunity to kill his archnemesis?

 

[Avengers]

Well, this was a let down of an episode. first Kid-flash was a jerk for the most of the time (until he had a sudden change of heart) I mean I understand the frustration in not fighting with the league (even though they did in the Injustice league ep) but the kid was saving a girl's life, you'd think if he is a hero he would do it without being annoyed which makes me wonder why he was the one who ended up with the job, I mean a queen needed a new heart and its no secret vertigo was ganna try and kill her (seriously in nearly every one of his non-comic appearances I think that ends up being his goal) I just think considering how the ice fortresses were basically taken down with barely any effort (even if they expected it be the toughest fight ever) I think flash would get the job considering he is faster, more focused and less whiny. Vandle and vertigo were actually the highlights, good voices, designs and motives made them pretty cool but not cool enough to save the episode. I guess it comes down to the fact that Flash shoul have been the runner and even overlooking that for the most part Kid flash was annoyed for most of the ep.

 

[Zombie]

As much as I liked this episode, it highlights a continuing problem. The villains are utterly incompetent. Vandal Savage and Count Vertigo between them can't even delay one sidekick for more than a short time. Not a single episode has ended with a loss for the heroes, the villains always get defeated. The villainous credibility of the Light is pretty low in my eyes.

 

[Dorko]

You would think that vandal savage would be able to hire goons to stall KF considering he is the head of the light.

Yeah, that one's kind transparently "we haven't really established for our audience yet exactly who this guy is, let's adapt this story that had him in it". In universe, I suppose one could argue that he wanted to make sure it was a villain Kid Flash would stop for or that he was just having some fun, I guess.

Also, Count vertigo would go to all the trouble of getting those ice fortresses up but wouldn't it be easier to hold the hospital hostage or just set up some attack in the hospital that would delay the operation.

If a gang of thugs or low level super villains take the hospital that Queen Perdita is staying in hostage and prevent her surgery, everyone from hospital security up to the Justice League is going to look straight at her straight up super-villain uncle and think "gee, doesn't that work out well for him, ain't that a coincidence?" If a super villain attack grinds the better part of the United States to a halt, causing widespread damage and deaths, Queen Perdita is just one more unfortunate victim. Her uncle will likely get a second look, but no one would be able to concretely point at anything connecting him. Even super-villains require means, motive, and opportunity.

And it just seemed a bit odd that just because it was the parking level, goons were everywhere but once the heart got to the doctors, everything was ok? So the goons couldn't come up to the upper floors?

Securing and brawling in a parking garage is one thing, invading the lobby and O.R. of a major metropolitan hospital is quite another. Once you start involving large numbers of civilians, entering highly monitored areas, etc, you greatly increase the chances of bringing down cops or super heroes on your heads.

And if count vertigo was smart enough to plant a fake doctor in front of the hospital, you would think he could get plant someone to be part of the operation team.

There's a world of difference between hiring a guy to stand outside a hospital in scrubs and planting or subverting someone on a team of what has to be the absolute best doctors in the world that money can buy.

And urggg...batman.... You seriously got to be more suspiscious of people. You're the detective after all. Letting superboy join the team while suspecting he may be a mole and now not even suspecting hugo strange in this episode. I expected even a suspicous ook or glare from batman when strange states the ice villains have remained in their cells.

Why would he though, in universe? Hugo Strange is the warden of a prison and he just pretty conclusively demonstrated that his inmates were exactly where they were supposed to be. Batman said they were the five most likely candidates, not that they were the only people who could pull it off. For all Batman knows, this was the work of The Weather Wizard, Minister Blizzard, The Cryonic Man, The Blue Snowman, etc. The warden of a prison showing that his inmates haven't escaped isn't cause for suspicion.

 

[Nygma]

As much as I liked this episode, it highlights a continuing problem. The villains are utterly incompetent. Vandal Savage and Count Vertigo between them can't even delay one sidekick for more than a short time. Not a single episode has ended with a loss for the heroes, the villains always get defeated. The villainous credibility of the Light is pretty low in my eyes.

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